Can you believe in evolution and the bible at the same time?

[Farbin Kaiber]

I think it is plausible that God had created a pair of beings, in his image. I also think it is plausible that she did not perform the activities God had intended, so I think it's possible that God would have kicked her out of the Garden of Eden and replaced her with a subservient "female" made out of Man, as opposed to them both being made of the earth.

There are also other references in that book that imply that there were others in the Garden of Eden that did not have the ruash, or breath of life, or "soul", which could be construed as other lesser beings, eg. Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc. So, they could co-exist simultaneously.

[Massive Lee]

Was Lilith a lesbo? Hmmm... I am starting to love the Bible.

[E30Kaiser]

Well she was a "baby eater" so you could make that connection. Less of a Lesbo and more of a bisexual I would say though.

[Turf1600]

I think it is plausible that God had created a pair of beings, in his image. I also think it is plausible that she did not perform the activities God had intended, so I think it's possible that God would have kicked her out of the Garden of Eden and replaced her with a subservient "female" made out of Man, as opposed to them both being made of the earth.

There are also other references in that book that imply that there were others in the Garden of Eden that did not have the ruash, or breath of life, or "soul", which could be construed as other lesser beings, eg. Homo Erectus, Neanderthal, etc. So, they could co-exist simultaneously.

Farbin, how old do you think the earth is?

[TwoJ's]

Ahh, the collective wisdom of r3v is showing itself.

[Matt-B]

WWII was the deadliest war in history. More civilians died then, than EVER before in ANY other war. Numbers are around 70 million.

70 million civilians died? WWII cost 62 million lives if i remember correctly from High School. And thats combined, from all countries, Russians to Canadians and every country in between that suffered losses. I think Japan is included in there also..

[E30Kaiser]

You never know exact numbers of dead, especially with some countries like Russia posting up much lower numbers than estimated to make themselves look better. Point is, more people have died in the 20th century in secular wars than probably all the religious wars combined.

[Matt-B]

You never know exact numbers of dead, especially with some countries like Russia posting up much lower numbers than estimated to make themselves look better. Point is, more people have died in the 20th century in secular wars than probably all the religious wars combined.

true, everyone could be lying

anyways, I'm not religious for a reason. I like to believe in what I can see or what is proven, or can be proven. Ill state my case then leave this thread for good. Da Vinci did that last supper painting etc with Christ in it. Thats terrific. I watched a show on nation geographic about the homesapian deal they found in africa, looks nothing like anyone in that pic. But thats proof we didnt always look like we do...then there have been others found with different facial and bone structures. Thus proving we evolved from a different form as we are now.

Now then you have these smart asses, well why are black people black blah blah blah. They developed over time darker skin to build resistance to the sun, now they can still get sun burnt, but Ive heard but its rare. We each evolved for different reason, for different ways of life.

Then they real smart people ask when you have an itch, you cant prove its there..."Itch can be caused by a wide variety of physical and chemical stimuli, such as light pressure, warming, exposure to acids or bases, or histamine release."

[Farbin Kaiber]

She is also known as a screech owl.

Patrick, I think the earth is billions of years old. ~4.5 billion, correct?

[Matt-B]

yea just a tad over 4.5 billion.

If the world started at the beginning of the bible, where are the dinosaurs? Oh those didnt exist did they....

[Farbin Kaiber]

Yes they did, have you ever seen a fossilized set of reptile like bones? I once saw something like that in a museum.

Let me start answering this with two things...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gap_creationism

And, the first two verse's of the bible, translated correctly from the Hebrew read, "G1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. G1:2 And the earth became a waste and a desolation..."

Looks to me like we could be earth4.0 in God's program. Looks to me like there was a space for Dinosaurs and all sorts of other stuff before the past ~5,000 years of "Bible History" that uneducated people assume for the earth's age.


Also, God told Adam and Eve to "replinish" the earth, thus, the earth had previously been plenished.

[ck_taft325is]

Hostility? Angry? Arrogant?

These are loaded words you're throwing around. All I have done is ask questions. You're trying to make this about something it's not.

These seem like they'd be easy questions to answer, right?

Do pets go to heaven? Why or why not? Were we created or did we evolve? Can you evolve a soul? If we were created in god's image, why are we still evolving? Is he evolving? If so, for what purpose?

We're still evolving? Are we talking micro or macro evolution here? Any links to how the Human race is evolving? I'd love to read up on it a bit.

I totally agree, they are loaded words. Because it's a loaded subject and all you'll have to do is read back through the first few posts to understand why this was said. You don't think there's a general hostility or anger towards Christians or a arrogance ("you're stupid if you believe ____ ) in regards to Faith? Take a poll on if Faith should be involved in the Political sphere. Or in the debate world beyond specific debates on God, etc. It's startling and rather stark on the general skepticism.

I'll play.

Do pets go to Heaven? - I don't know. Do they?
Were we created or did we evolve? - We could have been created through evolving. Or not. Do you know?
Can you evolve a soul? - That's impossible to answer if you don't believe we have them. I.e. our intelligence is just a natural part of the evolutionary reaction to "survival of the fittest". What would be the purpose of a soul or even asserting the premise of re-creating one?

[mar1t1me]

Also, God told Adam and Eve to "replinish" the earth, thus, the earth had previously been plenished.

Therein lies the rub. There's no way to know what "God" says or has said to anyone, because apparently he doesn't do groups. Instead, he conveniently speaks only in secret to individuals.

Think of it in terms of music. In the beginning, all music was improvised. Only much later did the ability to write music, and later print it come into being. The "Bible" is a collection of oral traditions that were likely freely embellished for many generations. But once they became useful by "churches" for purposes of power, control and financial gain, the message needed to be standardized.

In other words, there's absolutely no evidence to suggest that a "God", as in omnipotent, omniscient creator of all there is, had anything whatsoever to do with the book we know as the "Bible".

[Farbin Kaiber]

Well, you either "Faithe" in it or you don't. Therein lies the rub, he is looking for people to believe (Faith in him) against the odds, and the things on earth that are here to make you question it/Him. If you don't I guess you just were not meant to.

[briansjacobs]

was thinking of this on the way home earlier, So with Jesus on the cross dying for all of our sins, does that mean that God demanded a human sacrifice? If so