how big or small should goverment be?

[mrsleeve]

Jefferson truly was the greatest President.

YES its a toss up between him and Washington. Jefferson is personal hero of mine.


And why the fuck do you constantly advocate for more intrusive govt when you think Jefferson is the greatest, he is the antithesis of 99% of your arguments. Seems to me you would be bigger fan of Wilson, FDR and Carter. Than any of the founders

[shiftbmw]

Bravo. Bring back Jefferson.

[briansjacobs]

Bravo. Bring back Jefferson.

Bring him down from that deluxe appartment in the sky

[LBJefferies]

YES its a toss up between him and Washington. Jefferson is personal hero of mine.


And why the fuck do you constantly advocate for more intrusive govt when you think Jefferson is the greatest, he is the antithesis of 99% of your arguments. Seems to me you would be bigger fan of Wilson, FDR and Carter. Than any of the founders

Where have I ever advocated for more intrusive government? I never have.

You guys just like to make all sort of assumptions.

BTW, Jefferson was an anarchist.

[Vedubin01]

Where have I ever advocated for more intrusive government?

[mrsleeve]

I think he really believes that hes serious.

[z31maniac]

Where have I ever advocated for more intrusive government? I never have.

You guys just like to make all sort of assumptions.

BTW, Jefferson was an anarchist.

"Hey man, I like, never uh, said that there should be more gubmint, man. I mean like, if there was less gov't, I could, uhhh, like toke up without fear of reprisal, man."

[LBJefferies]

I am only for government intervention when it means keeping other forms of authority in check. Some laws and regulations are necessary to prevent devastating oil spills for example. This has ALWAYS been my opinion. I don't like the government any more than you guys do, I just don't like corporate authority either. Ideally I am against all authority.

The problem is that with the technological advances and the complexity of our society, there needs to be so many protections in place that it all just turns into a giant cluster fuck. That is the state of our society, a giant cluster fuck of contradictory laws and regulations. But we can't just remove all these laws either, so what happens? Shit hits the fan is what happens! It happened twice in the 20th Century, most notably with the Depression/WWII. It almost happened a third time during the Cold War but things cooled off during the 90's. It WILL happen again.

[mrsleeve]

No every position I have ever seen you take has been for bigger more intrusive govt to protect the people from them selves. This is not the role of govt, this is the free mans job to look after him self.

[joshh]

I think Mr Jefferson makes all the points of my position so much better than I can. these are the ones I can think of right off the top of my head.

Covers it right there.

[LBJefferies]

No every position I have ever seen you take has been for bigger more intrusive govt to protect the people from them selves. This is not the role of govt, this is the free mans job to look after him self.

That's bullshit. I have generally always argued a Libertarian point of view. This is especially the case in regards to social issues.

Just because I favor economic regulation sometimes does not mean I am pro-government.

What I don't get is why you are entirely against regulation? Can't you see that big business exerts just as much authority over you as the government does? The fact that you're anti-government but pro-corporation shows that it's all just political with you.

[Turf1600]

Government:

Protect our borders
Protect the value of the dollar
Maintain infrastructure
Post office
Judiciary system
Protect citizens from fraudulent businesses

Parts of our govt that don't work:
FDA - Biased?
IRS - Flat tax?

[bmwstephen]

^ Throw
DOEducation
DOEnergy up there.

very uselss and exists and fail far beyond their intitial establishment

[mrsleeve]

That's bullshit. I have generally always argued a Libertarian point of view. This is especially the case in regards to social issues.

Just because I favor economic regulation sometimes does not mean I am pro-government.

What I don't get is why you are entirely against regulation? Can't you see that big business exerts just as much authority over you as the government does? The fact that you're anti-government but pro-corporation shows that it's all just political with you.

No I am not against regulation, I am against excessive regulation, aka excessive govt, which is what we have now. There needs to be as little regulation in both the markets and personal lives as possible, 98% of the problems we are dealing with in our economy right now and have have been dealing with for over a 100 years is from GOVT intervention. The more the govt gets involved the worse things get.

With out the govt forcing the mortgage industry to give loans to those that could not afford them, the housing bubble would not have been created let alone popped. With out the govt involvement in HC (medi care and cade) you would not be seeing HC prices skyrocket in the last decade. Because the Govt does not pay the true cost of the procedures, the rest of us have to make up the short fall. With out the govt getting into to auto industry OH so long ago, and regulating it to death cars would be far more advanced in terms of economy and safty as thats much of what the market demands. but they are so focused on doing what the govt says it has to they cant divert the necessary dollars to making shit the consumer wants. Should I continue?????

All the various Alphabet agencies being used as weapons against business IRS, EPA, OSHA being the biggest culprits. Now dont get me wrong OSHA is a good thing when used properly, but now its more of a money generator than looking after the safety of employees. The EPA now mandates you must be a certified lead abatement contractor to work on your own home if it was built before 79. You as working on your own home, have to take 600 dollar class and have it the cert renewed all the time to WORK ON YOUR OWN HOME. Or you can be fined 32k A DAY. Also the EPA is offering a 5k dollar bounty to turn in your neighbors for this. The EPA has regulated manufacturing off our shores, and the ultra high efficiency engines from the USA as well. The IRS do I really need to explain this to you again????

Please dont make me get into the FED and Federal reserve act of 1913.


I am for as little govt as possible at all times in all aspects of life, from businesses to you bed room, to your personal hygiene. Its not the place of govt to dictate any of these things to free men. Our govt is outta control and you nave consistently supported each and every expansion of it and advocate greater controls and restrictions of free law abiding citizens. With your support of the Cap and trade system, You support of HC bill, you support of greater infringements on the 2a, Your Pro Marx/socialist/commie positions, and last but not least your position that the govt should penalize corporations persons for making money, by increasing their tax rate to ridiculous levels.

really man give it up. if your views have changed or are changing thats fine and thats what happens to people all the time, but dont act like you have always held a small govt view.