our schools suck because of THE LIBERAL AGENDA

[Turf1600]

What is the religious agenda exactly?

So, science classes and history classes are both slanted towards religion (at least in Texas). Anyone who is willing to researh will find out that this is not a christian nation. We do not have a national religion, but "educators" like to believe that our country was founded by christians. Additionally, how can you argue that intelligent design should be taught in a science class? There's absolutely no science behind it. Now texas is discussing prayer in school?

So, your question - what's the religious agenda.

Who owns the most land in the world?

Hate to answer your question with a question, but seriously come on. Religion is the easiest way to make money without selling anything.


It's probably worth noting that though I went to school in texas, I benefited from going to a very good school in a very good school district. My science teachers teachers were mostly doctors and all of my high school level history teachers has a masters. Even after that, I learned much of what I know in college. I've spent a lot of time un-learning public school myth.

[ck_taft325is]

So wait... the downfall of all public schools and education standards in general is religions fault but you can only speak to what, one case where this is an overt issue? And not only that, in Science. How does this affect all other areas of schooling/education in the slightest?

I don't see what our Founding Father's personal or religious convictions have to do with todays standard of education either?

Sorry, but you seem more like a bigot against religion than an informed person on our educational system.

[reelop19]

Problem with education:
#1 - parents don't give a shit
#2 - progressive agenda not liberal. Doesn't anybody know about the Department of Education beginning during the worst president besides Obama, which was Carter. The whole education system is unconstitutional. It should be up to the states.
#3 - the unions
#4 - parents
#5 - parents
#6 - parents
#7 - oh and lets not forget RAP MUSIC

[mrsleeve]

Problem with education:
#1 - parents don't give a shit
#2 - progressive agenda not liberal. Doesn't anybody know about the Department of Education beginning during the worst president besides Obama, which was Carter. The whole education system is unconstitutional. It should be up to the states.
#3 - the unions
#4 - parents
#5 - parents
#6 - parents
#7 - oh and lets not forget RAP MUSIC

Points I have made, Oh and the wost prez ever was Wilson, Cater in the worst in recent memory.

[Wiglaf]

Those who dont know history, are destined to repeat it.- Edmund Burke

You chronic liberal view point, and lack of historical understanding is just proof in the pudding of Mr Burke's assertions.

There you go with jamming the word "liberal" wherever you feel like it again. I still don't see wtf that has to do with any of this.
Yes I understand Burke's quote, and that is why history is important. My lack of interest in history is no more liberal/conservative than my interest in engineering. I'm glad other people buff up on it, but I am not prepared to argue particular details of how the civil war is taught. I simply don't see the connection to some liberal agenda.

What seems more likely to me is that you guys believe that since it isn't working that great it must be the liberals fault because liberals=stupid and are on a mission to derail the country and take yer guns away. :roll:

Problem with education:
#1 - parents don't give a shit
#2 - progressive agenda not liberal. Doesn't anybody know about the Department of Education beginning during the worst president besides Obama, which was Carter. The whole education system is unconstitutional. It should be up to the states.
#3 - the unions
#4 - parents
#5 - parents
#6 - parents
#7 - oh and lets not forget RAP MUSIC

This. As far as I can tell the religious factor is just the creationism issue that will never just fuck off and let science take it's course.
#7 annoys the hell out of me as well, I'll admit that I think all it does is increase crime and make people talk like fucking welfare leeching idiots. hypocritical of me because I'll defend rock to the death. At least I can admit it.

[ck_taft325is]

Frankly, on the beginning of the world, everyone should really take a step back and get over themselves. None of us know. Science can't prove nor explain the "why" of man. Religion or more specifically relevant to this discussion, the Bible, is not super clear on what happend either.

[E30Kaiser]

You don't ever learn how the Earth formed in school anyway, at least we never did. You just learn the basic PBS special stuff.

[Turf1600]

So wait... the downfall of all public schools and education standards in general is religions fault but you can only speak to what, one case where this is an overt issue? And not only that, in Science. How does this affect all other areas of schooling/education in the slightest?

I don't see what our Founding Father's personal or religious convictions have to do with todays standard of education either?

Sorry, but you seem more like a bigot against religion than an informed person on our educational system.

Science and history, yes. If I recall, history was the topic of discussion initially. Point being, the religious right is trying to stifle free thought and critical thinking.

Secondarily, blame the people. Our education system is state funded and federally supported. Every time you vote to lower taxes something gets cut. Now, I'm not saying that taxes are well spent by any means - but this is what everyone voted for. Don't blame the president - blame your local representation that you've never heard of and never voted for.

I also believe that schools are not funded properly. They are being rewarded (with budget) for testing well and graduation rates. What does that promote? Teaching for tests and forcing kids through remedial classes just so they don't lose magnet school status or some shit. Schools need to do the right thing and teach the subjects not the tests. They need to fail those who fail and remove the tri-level GPA structure.

I don't know about you guys, but my school was academically segregated. Remedial courses, advanced and finally honors/AP courses. Guess what? All of my doctor teachers and historian history teachers were honors/AP. Remedial classes got coaches and art teachers who had to do something else also. While I benefited from this system, many didn't. There was a HUGE difference between the two types of people.

Back to the point, I learned more about history in 5 college classes than I ever did during 13 years of public school. Additionally, my schools got the facts wrong. While what they were teaching was sometimes correct, they left out enormous critical details that paint scenarios in a completely different light. The devil is in the details with these things, you know. Maybe it's because I'm in the south - I don't know. But public schools here lean heavily on religion. I'm an unbiased person. I can identify slants.

Oh, and

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/12/texas-education-board-app_n_497440.html

No religious agenda, right?

[e30e]

All the subjects are USELESS unless students are able to apply knowledge learned, this has been proven so many times its ridiculous, almost ALL subjects are taught through memorization and then tested and then never used. Stressing more of any subject with out application use of knowledge is wasted, hence why kids should dig gardens, participate in historical plays, and sing nursery rhymes.

Parents are at a fault, local politicians are at fault, national government is a small portion of the problem, are my posts being ignored???

[mrsleeve]

There you go with jamming the word "liberal" wherever you feel like it again. I still don't see wtf that has to do with any of this.
Yes I understand Burke's quote, and that is why history is important. My lack of interest in history is no more liberal/conservative than my interest in engineering. I'm glad other people buff up on it, but I am not prepared to argue particular details of how the civil war is taught. I simply don't see the connection to some liberal agenda.

What seems more likely to me is that you guys believe that since it isn't working that great it must be the liberals fault because liberals=stupid and are on a mission to derail the country and take yer guns away. :roll:

Look man just calling it as I see it. You seem to line up on the Liberal side of things every time. You are obviously smart, you can read and write, have lead a successful life.

The agenda is the same as it has been since the birth of civilization, to accumulate power over the many into the hands of the few. Our founders knew this and gave us a Document that is our highest law in the land. That is hardly taught any longer and now is being printed with a fucking disclaimer about how its wrong and out of date.

This has been a long road coming, think the last 100 years mostly, and now we are starting to see some of the big effect of this effort and the continued effort of the last 30 years and the product of the Hippie movement of the 60's. I cant really connect the dots here for you man that something you are going to have to take into your own hands if you wish understand where we have been and where we are headed.


This is the disclaimer than comes on the Constitution now

"This book is a product of its time and does not reflect the same values as it would if it were written today. Parents might wish to discuss with their children how views on race, gender, sexualtiy, ethnicity, and interpersonal relations have changed since this book was written before allowing them to read this classic work."

here is the "Page scan" from Amazon Click the copyright part
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/160...der_1604592680

[Turf1600]

You don't ever learn how the Earth formed in school anyway, at least we never did. You just learn the basic PBS special stuff.

I was taught big bang.

And sleeve, I don't know if you'd consider me a liberal or not - but I have a very solid historical foundation.

[reelop19]

Yeah Wilson was really bad as well as FDR. Of course Wilson was pretty racist. This thread sucks now. How about we just agree that to better education these things need to happen:
#1 - parents get involved
#2 - conservatives run education
#3 - allow god and the pledge of allegiance in the classroom
#4 - do away with free public schooling and free lunches
#5 - stop letting kids sag they're pants. Don't they know that began in prison when gay inmates would do it to advertise they want some action in the butt.
BAMMMMM I just fixed education!!!

[z31maniac]

#1 - agreed, by far the most important aspect.
#2 - disagree, I think we need to REMOVE politics from the classroom
#3 - I'm torn on this one, personally, I'm not like a bunch of the whiny Atheists that are all offended by it. Pledge of allegiance, definitely.
#4 - Interesting, so we get to dissolve the property tax. How do you intend to pay for the schools?
#5 - Meh, around here you only see that at mainly minority schools and the occasional upper-middle class white kid who thinks he's in tight with Puffy.

[Turf1600]

Yeah Wilson was really bad as well as FDR. Of course Wilson was pretty racist. This thread sucks now. How about we just agree that to better education these things need to happen:
#1 - parents get involved
#2 - conservatives run education
#3 - allow god and the pledge of allegiance in the classroom
#4 - do away with free public schooling and free lunches
#5 - stop letting kids sag they're pants. Don't they know that began in prison when gay inmates would do it to advertise they want some action in the butt.
BAMMMMM I just fixed education!!!

Satire?

[ck_taft325is]

I was taught big bang.

And sleeve, I don't know if you'd consider me a liberal or not - but I have a very solid historical foundation.

How was your education heavily leaned on Religion then? I don't see the Big Bang as a great evil, just a little incomplete. And I don't mean this in a Christian or God way, just off the principle that it still doesn't answer where anything came from. But then again, I don't think we should really care. We should focus mostly on where we as a society, humans and such are headed as a whole.

I don't think you can keep pawning the downfall of "school" on religion. WA State has some of the worst SAT/Test scores right now and a fairly high drop out rate. I can tell you for a fact that "religion" isn't the reason. While some counties or individual aspects of "Religious right" have spoken up in their given county, I don't think this is wrong as that is their view point and on a majority scale, shouldn't be persecuted (90% of the 5,000 population town is Christian and runs the school, etc, etc...).

What this boils down to is it seems you feel that Christians, or any belief in a God(s) is flat out dead wrong. Your slant is quite contrary to your statement that you're unbiased. So, out with it. What would you do given the power, Turf?