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    http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-theive...0,231586.story

    Thieves could go free while victim faces jail time


    WHEAT RIDGE, Colo. - Admitted thieves are going free, while an elderly Wheat Ridge man is facing the possibility of spending the rest of his life behind bars, all, he says, for trying to defend his property and his life.

    82-year-old Robert Wallace said in February that he looked out his window and saw two men hooking his flatbed trailer up to their pickup. He yelled at them to stop, but they sped away, stealing his trailer. He told police he fired two shots at the pickup.

    Minutes later, police say 32-year-old Damacio Torres dropped 28-year-old Alvaro Cardona off at a hospital emergency room with a gunshot wound to the face.

    Torres did not stay to talk with police, but they caught up with him later. According to court documents, he admitted he and Cardona stole the trailer.

    Wallace did not want to talk on camera, but when we asked him if the two men threatened him he said, "They almost ran me over."

    The Jefferson County DA's office said that neither Torres nor Cardona have been charged with anything at this point, even though Torres confessed to the crime. However, the homeowner, Wallace is facing twelve felony counts, including four counts of attempted first degree murder. If convicted, he could spend the rest of his life behind bars.

    Sources say Torres and Cardona are believed to be in the country illegally and both have an arrest record. Cardona's record includes public fighting and numerous traffic offenses like driving without a license or insurance. Torres's record includes agricultural trespassing as well as a 2005 arrest for aggravated motor vehicle theft for which he was given a plea bargain to a lesser crime. Sources say Torres is also under investigation for being part of a major auto theft ring.

    Wallace is out on bond and due back in court in September to enter his plea.

    Neighbors say the thieves should be the ones facing charges and Wallace should be given an award for protecting the neighborhood.
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    They're illegals they get a pass.
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      #3
      California's ludicrous policies are spreading like a virus.
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        #4
        facepalm for the resident hometown...

        /sigh

        fuck that.
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          #5
          Originally posted by pureaudio View Post
          California's ludicrous policies are spreading like a virus.
          30 years worth of CA fuck tards migration to CO will do that. Now they are doing the same to MT, ID, and places in WY, NM, and WA is getting bad too.

          That said, it was a good shoot if they indeed were trying to hit the old man with the truck. Good shooting for the old guy too. Other wise the old guy should get some fines and thats it, none of this 12 feloly counts of anything.

          And the illegals need to be sent the fuck home after they serve a full term in a HARD LABOR CAMP using a 12lb hammer to make big rock to little rock - little rock to dust .
          Originally posted by Fusion
          If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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            #6
            how the hell do you get 12 counts out of that? i'm curious about the legal aspect.

            illegals trespass on your property
            you witness them stealing your shit
            you warn them
            you come outside
            they successfully hooked up your shit and driving towards you, on your property, with your stuff.
            you shoot at them

            you get charged with 12 felony counts? wtf.

            thats why i hate jeffco sheriff/da department. one of their cops killed a guy on a traffic stop not too long ago as well...
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            1992 525i - Silber sumthin sumthin metallic- Rolling again, needs suspension/wheels/brakes/paint.... Fuck you A4S310R; BEAT YOU.
            1989 325i - Cirrusblau Metallic sumthin sumthin-project - trying to clean up the interior(done), then the body, then a 5spd, then suspension, then..... - [Stolen :| ]
            1991 325iC - Calypsorot Metallic
            1994 540i - Granitsilber

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              #7
              i am not siding with the DA's office however they have a possible case (even as wrong as as it may be). Is your $1500 trailer really worth a life? Yes they are illegal scumbags, but life? cmon....

              We do not know the details of this story either. If the thieves did infact attempt to hit him, then he has a chance in court. If not, he is screwed in trial; if it even gets that far. Chances are he'll plea out something much less and and 24months of probation. The DA's office wouldnt attempt to prosecute if they did not have credible evidence.

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                #8
                so what would it have to be for me to take, from you, for you to risk your life? i dunno.

                someone comes on your property, takes your stuff, that'll warrant getting shot, especially killing someone robbing you.... blah, too long of a topic. i'll rant later lol.
                1991 325iC - Mauritsblau sumthin metallic blue. DEAD
                1992 525i - Silber sumthin sumthin metallic- Rolling again, needs suspension/wheels/brakes/paint.... Fuck you A4S310R; BEAT YOU.
                1989 325i - Cirrusblau Metallic sumthin sumthin-project - trying to clean up the interior(done), then the body, then a 5spd, then suspension, then..... - [Stolen :| ]
                1991 325iC - Calypsorot Metallic
                1994 540i - Granitsilber

                Originally posted by scabzzzz
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                  #9
                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

                  Yes thats the way it should be, TX is the only place I can think of that you can use deadly force to protect you property. Everywhere else you have to in fear of your life or great bodily harm for your self or others to be justified in the use of deadly force. Many place you have a 1st duty to retreat, IE run away 1st if you can safely before you can use deadly force. Others you cant use deadly force unless the aggressor is directly targeting you like you cant stop someone from being attacked because the aggressor is not threatening you at that point. Then you have MASS where you have no legal recourse for defending your self with a gun. There is no justification in MASS for the use of a firearm if self defense for any reason.

                  Study up on your states laws and know them intimately if you are going to carry or use a gun to protect your self and home. CO is a fairly good gun rights state too. One thing the CA imports have not totally fucked up yet there.



                  Originally posted by ELONZOOOO View Post
                  i am not siding with the DA's office however they have a possible case (even as wrong as as it may be). Is your $1500 trailer really worth a life? Yes they are illegal scumbags, but life? cmon....

                  .
                  NO, but point a truck at me I POINT A GUN AT YOU, simple as that.
                  Last edited by mrsleeve; 07-08-2010, 12:22 PM.
                  Originally posted by Fusion
                  If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                  The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                  The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                  Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                  William Pitt-

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Atreus View Post
                    so what would it have to be for me to take, from you, for you to risk your life? i dunno.

                    someone comes on your property, takes your stuff, that'll warrant getting shot, especially killing someone robbing you.... blah, too long of a topic. i'll rant later lol.

                    ugghh, a human. It would be hard to justify murder for a material item.....

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                      NO, but point a truck at me I POINT A GUN AT YOU, simple as that.

                      exactly, and we dont have the full story. i dont know if he did point the truck at the old timer. That is forensics where come into play, or witnesses.

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                        #12
                        i'm curious to see what comes of it, and never visit wheat ridge again, rofl.
                        1991 325iC - Mauritsblau sumthin metallic blue. DEAD
                        1992 525i - Silber sumthin sumthin metallic- Rolling again, needs suspension/wheels/brakes/paint.... Fuck you A4S310R; BEAT YOU.
                        1989 325i - Cirrusblau Metallic sumthin sumthin-project - trying to clean up the interior(done), then the body, then a 5spd, then suspension, then..... - [Stolen :| ]
                        1991 325iC - Calypsorot Metallic
                        1994 540i - Granitsilber

                        Originally posted by scabzzzz
                        I've had blunts cock in my mouth, but I'm not gay.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Atreus View Post
                          i'm curious to see what comes of it, and never visit wheat ridge again, rofl.

                          wheatridge is a dump for sure, but he'll plea

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by ELONZOOOO View Post
                            i am not siding with the DA's office however they have a possible case (even as wrong as as it may be). Is your $1500 trailer really worth a life? Yes they are illegal scumbags, but life? cmon....

                            We do not know the details of this story either. If the thieves did infact attempt to hit him, then he has a chance in court. If not, he is screwed in trial; if it even gets that far. Chances are he'll plea out something much less and and 24months of probation. The DA's office wouldnt attempt to prosecute if they did not have credible evidence.

                            Sounds like you are one of the problems in Colorado.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by ELONZOOOO View Post
                              exactly, and we dont have the full story. i dont know if he did point the truck at the old timer. That is forensics where come into play, or witnesses.
                              Well he shot him in the face that implies the FRONT so its plausible to say the least. The article has been written with the undertones of anti gun author, but this is my opinion.
                              Originally posted by Fusion
                              If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                              The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                              The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                              Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                              William Pitt-

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