Prop 8

[markseven]

I still can't quite understand why you think same-sex marriage leads to incest.

Guess it takes the same leap to think a magic alien is running the planet.

Does it take a leap to think the planet was seeded?

Why do you feel the need to belittle? Except for one outspoken Christian, I haven't seen any other Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Budhists, etc. here minimize / ridicule the atheist belief system. I am not offended or anything like that, just curious ;)

Not all morality issues are Dependant on one's faith in God.

As an atheist, are you okay with legalizing prostitution? If you are, would you rent a prostitute? If you had a son or daughter, at what age would you allow them to rent prostitutes?

As an atheist, are you okay with broadcasting hardcore pornography during prime time? Why or why not? At what age would you allow your child to watch porn?

As an atheist, are you okay with sex or masturbation in public? Why or why not?

[markseven]

I'll dismiss it pretty easily. If gays have equal rights because they can marry someone of the opposite sex, then so do straight people because they can marry someone of the same sex. We are not giving gays more rights than straight people. Laws allowing same sex marriages aren't all of a sudden going to strip people of the right to opposite sex marriages. They also aren't going to just lock someone in to a sexual preference for life. This is about ANYONE having the right to marry someone of either sex should they choose to. If they want to get a divorce and then switch teams that's alright too. Same sex marriage laws are NOT discriminatory and will expand freedom of marriage for EVERYONE. Yes Joshh, same sex marriage laws will even grant YOU the right to marry a dude should you choose to. Stop looking at this whole thing like it is somehow us vs. them.

Also, your slippery slope argument about fathers marrying their sons and mothers marrying their daughters is completely false and will NEVER EVER HAPPEN. Just completely forget about the sexual element of this for a second. This is about recognizing two people as part of a civil union under the law. That means granting same sex couples the same tax breaks, visitation rights, inheritance, etc. as opposite sex couples AND FAMILY MEMBERS. Fathers and sons, mothers and daughters already share these rights because they are FAMILY and recognized as such under the law.

All this mumbo jumbo about marriage being a spiritual union between a man and a woman, and all the sexual shit that goes along with it is all just a religious idea which is completely independent of lawful marriage in this country. This is a secular country so all of this is meaningless to a judge signing marriage papers.

Why no incest? Because it jacks up the gene pool and their kids will be born looking like the royal family? Is it a health and safety issue? Gay men are transmitting aids at an accelerated rate, yet no one is stopping them (and their promiscuity would not change if they were given the option of marriage. You are either monogamous or your aren't). So why wont you allow incest? Just cause it's yucky? :p

[briansjacobs]

Does it take a leap to think the planet was seeded?

Why do you feel the need to belittle? Except for one outspoken Christian, I haven't seen any other Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Budhists, etc. here minimize / ridicule the atheist belief system. I am not offended or anything like that, just curious ;)

Not all morality issues are Dependant on one's faith in God.

As an atheist, are you okay with legalizing prostitution? If you are, would you rent a prostitute? If you had a son or daughter, at what age would you allow them to rent prostitutes?

As an atheist, are you okay with broadcasting hardcore pornography during prime time? Why or why not? At what age would you allow your child to watch porn?

As an atheist, are you okay with sex or masturbation in public? Why or why not?

Why no incest? Because it jacks up the gene pool and their kids will be born looking like the royal family? Is it a health and safety issue? Gay men are transmitting aids at an accelerated rate, yet no one is stopping them (and their promiscuity would not change if they were given the option of marriage. You are either monogamous or your aren't). So why wont you allow incest? Just cause it's yucky? :p

to me this has nothing to do with religion. I do not "attack" based on their religous views, I will attack people for spewing lies and propaganda. I agree 100% as not all morality is based on a belief in god as I have morals without god. I have no problem with prostitution, I have no need for it as I have never had a problem gettng laid, If you want it great, have fun, wear condom. As far as pornography is concerned I dont care, I can block the channels on my TV. Sex in public not cool, public nudity im ok with boobs not cock. No reason, that is just were I say I dont want to see it. Incest is wrong for the reasons you mentioned, not for a morality standpoint but for a genetic standpoint. As far a you are either monogamous or you are not, you are dead wrong. My wife is the only girl I have not cheated on. When I was ready to settle down I did. As far as nobody stopping gays from spreading aids like wildfire nobody is spreading senior citizens from spreading aids and other VD in assisted living facilities, but it is happening at an alarming rate, So much so that medicaid is now going to cover HIV screenings for those 65 and older.

[Stephen]

Yeah, that's what they said about gay marriage. Simply saying that it will never happen isn't quite good enough.

But why do you want to refuse people the same rights as the rest of us?? Dads and sons and Moms and daughters should be able to marry....why not, you're arguing for gays to marry. But yet you want to stop those others from their rights.

It's meaningless to a judge yet it's being pushed into law. Foot enter mouth.

Would you stop with the incest? Gay marriage does not lead to it anymore than heterosexual marriage. Also, while it might not be innacurate to say in never or will not happen, its certianly not the same kind or size of issue as gay marriage. Ive met many a homesexual, have yet to meet anyone protesting or angling for incest. (although i've never lived in hicksville)

[LBJefferies]

Why no incest? Because it jacks up the gene pool and their kids will be born looking like the royal family? Is it a health and safety issue? Gay men are transmitting aids at an accelerated rate, yet no one is stopping them (and their promiscuity would not change if they were given the option of marriage. You are either monogamous or your aren't). So why wont you allow incest? Just cause it's yucky? :p

Did you or Joshh even read my post? This isn't a sexual thing! People are going to commit sodomy and incest regardless of whether there are laws against it. There is nothing in this law that has anything to do with sex.

This is about allowing a civil union between two people of the same sex. That means tax breaks, inheritance rights, hospital visitation rights, etc. A father and son can't get married because they already have these rights!! It would be redundant!!!!

STOP THINKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN SEXUAL TERMS!!!!!!!!! This has nothing to do with incest or even butt sex.

[Restoman]

Since most of what sways the decision on this law is how we feel about it, I'll chime in.

One man and one woman. Yes, I understand that marriage grants certain privileges that are very beneficial financially. We need a way to give offbeat unions the same benefits that traditional unions have.

[briansjacobs]

Since most of what sways the decision on this law is how we feel about it, I'll chime in.

One man and one woman. Yes, I understand that marriage grants certain privileges that are very beneficial financially. We need a way to give offbeat unions the same benefits that traditional unions have.

my father in law is a deacon. He has no problem with gay unions having all the same rights as marriage, he just for some reason thinks the word marriage should be reserved for man and woman only. To me it is a human rights issue and I could care less what you call it so long as a gay union and a straigh marriage have all the same advantages.

[z31maniac]

Does it take a leap to think the planet was seeded?

Why do you feel the need to belittle? Except for one outspoken Christian, I haven't seen any other Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Budhists, etc. here minimize / ridicule the atheist belief system. I am not offended or anything like that, just curious ;)

Not all morality issues are Dependant on one's faith in God.

As an atheist, are you okay with legalizing prostitution? If you are, would you rent a prostitute? If you had a son or daughter, at what age would you allow them to rent prostitutes?

As an atheist, are you okay with broadcasting hardcore pornography during prime time? Why or why not? At what age would you allow your child to watch porn?

As an atheist, are you okay with sex or masturbation in public? Why or why not?

WOW, I don't even know where to start with this, where all this other stuff comes from is beyond me.

Same-sex marriage has absolutely NOTHING to do with incest/prostitution/pornography/masturbation in public.

Oh that's right, all homosexuals, are pedophilic deviants who want nothing more to destroy the sanctity of marriage.

Even though more than FIFTY PERCENT of all heterosexual marriages end in divorce, seems like straight people are taking it seriously as well.

I'd be happy to answer the questions you posed in another thread, but in regards to this topic, those questions are nothing more than illogical fear mongering.

[z31maniac]

Oh and if someone wants to question/ridicule my atheists beliefs, that's fine. If I wasn't up for it, I wouldn't make my personal opinion PUBLIC.

[Need4Speed1299]

Awesome.

[markseven]

Does it take a leap to think the planet was seeded?

Why do you feel the need to belittle? Except for one outspoken Christian, I haven't seen any other Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Budhists, etc. here minimize / ridicule the atheist belief system. I am not offended or anything like that, just curious ;)

Not all morality issues are Dependant on one's faith in God.

As an atheist, are you okay with legalizing prostitution? If you are, would you rent a prostitute? If you had a son or daughter, at what age would you allow them to rent prostitutes?

As an atheist, are you okay with broadcasting hardcore pornography during prime time? Why or why not? At what age would you allow your child to watch porn?

As an atheist, are you okay with sex or masturbation in public? Why or why not?

WOW, I don't even know where to start with this, where all this other stuff comes from is beyond me.

Same-sex marriage has absolutely NOTHING to do with incest/prostitution/pornography/masturbation in public.

Oh that's right, all homosexuals, are pedophilic deviants who want nothing more to destroy the sanctity of marriage.

Even though more than FIFTY PERCENT of all heterosexual marriages end in divorce, seems like straight people are taking it seriously as well.

I'd be happy to answer the questions you posed in another thread, but in regards to this topic, those questions are nothing more than illogical fear mongering.

Reread my post and comprehend the bolded text.

I am not at all implying that homosexuality leads to anything else. No one else took it that way.

[markseven]

Oh and if someone wants to question/ridicule my atheists beliefs, that's fine. If I wasn't up for it, I wouldn't make my personal opinion PUBLIC.

Dude, did you even read my post? :???: :p :D

[z31maniac]

We are giving Joshh shit about Scientology because he's a strong headed asshole who won't can't hold a logical debate. So you missed that part. :)

Prostitution? Yep, make it legal.
Would I hire a prostitute? No, I personally think it's disgusting. But if that's how someone wants to making a living, and thats how someone wants to spend their money, who am I to say they shouldn't be able to?
I don't have children, but I'd say obviously not while I was supporting them. So while I would instill that I think it's gross/disgusting, once they are an adult and making their own decisions, if that's what they want to do, that's THEIR decision.

Sure, why not? Something people don't seem to understand, if you don't like a movie/TV show/book/music, you don't have to watch/read/listen to it. Have children in the house? The have the chips that restrict what channels are available, or people could actually take responsibility for what their children do. Why should I get to decide what someone else gets to do? Same as before, once you are out on your own and making your own living, you can do as you please.

That's a ridiculous question, don't you think?

[markseven]

to me this has nothing to do with religion. I do not "attack" based on their religous views, I will attack people for spewing lies and propaganda. I agree 100% as not all morality is based on a belief in god as I have morals without god. I have no problem with prostitution, I have no need for it as I have never had a problem gettng laid, If you want it great, have fun, wear condom. As far as pornography is concerned I dont care, I can block the channels on my TV. Sex in public not cool, public nudity im ok with boobs not cock. No reason, that is just were I say I dont want to see it. Incest is wrong for the reasons you mentioned, not for a morality standpoint but for a genetic standpoint. As far a you are either monogamous or you are not, you are dead wrong. My wife is the only girl I have not cheated on. When I was ready to settle down I did. As far as nobody stopping gays from spreading aids like wildfire nobody is spreading senior citizens from spreading aids and other VD in assisted living facilities, but it is happening at an alarming rate, So much so that medicaid is now going to cover HIV screenings for those 65 and older.

A very small percentage of the population would participate in incest. Very small. So why legislate against it?

I could be wrong on the monogamy part.

As for seniors spreading aids in assisted living centers, I don't think the elderly are careless and having unprotected sex. Bad analogy.

[markseven]

We are giving Joshh shit about Scientology because he's a strong headed asshole who won't can't hold a logical debate. So you missed that part. :)

Prostitution? Yep, make it legal.
Would I hire a prostitute? No, I personally think it's disgusting. But if that's how someone wants to making a living, and thats how someone wants to spend their money, who am I to say they shouldn't be able to?
I don't have children, but I'd say obviously not while I was supporting them. So while I would instill that I think it's gross/disgusting, once they are an adult and making their own decisions, if that's what they want to do, that's THEIR decision.

Sure, why not? Something people don't seem to understand, if you don't like a movie/TV show/book/music, you don't have to watch/read/listen to it. Have children in the house? The have the chips that restrict what channels are available, or people could actually take responsibility for what their children do. Why should I get to decide what someone else gets to do? Same as before, once you are out on your own and making your own living, you can do as you please.

That's a ridiculous question, don't you think?

Oh okay. I didn't get it :D