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  • uofom3
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    • Jan 2004
    • 5392

    #1

    Diversity - A Philosophical Discussion...

    So with everything happening in society today and America being on a course that I believe will more-less end the country... I have been thinking less about the minutia of today and more about what has created this. I boil it down to this - the Homogeneous nature of America is gone. But why?

    We could blame this on one party or another but generally all forms of government fail the people. Politicians are sleezy, some are better than others, and they generally just don't get things done. Government makes bad decisions because they have power - forget parties for a moment when thinking about this.

    Our society promotes freedom of religion, orientation, belief, thought, race, etc. Which sounds great - no problem with that. The problem is, that if everyone thinks something different you no longer have a homogeneous society that functions effectively.

    What you end up with is subcultures, and subcultures inside subcultures. People aren't on the "same page" as a society, and so many people have interests that are divergent from what another person is trying to accomplish. Instead of trying to promote unity as a society, we promote diversity.

    Look back from the 40's to the present and you see that society becomes increasingly divergent in their thoughts, opinions and actions - particularly after the 50's. The older generatiosn developed the "American Way" which bolstered our country to being the greatest nation on the planet for a long time - it worked pretty well.

    There are a million examples of this, but in short to stop this from running on... America needs some solidarity we need to find a way to get everyone working (both literally and figuratively) in a way that keeps us together - promotion of hyper-diversity and coddling society in the process creates a country that is less homogeneous and largely dysfunctional - e.g. where we are today. We need to find some common tennants that people can adhere to that make things work.

    Note - this is NOT stating any race, gender, orientation, religion, etc. is better than another. It's saying that on a fundamental level (people work, pursue their own dreams, are self-sufficient, etc.) we have to find (or maybe restore) the foundation from which all of these other things can come from. Some ideas are proven to work better than others for society function from a factual standpoint, but that's another topic...
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  • Dude
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    • May 2010
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    • briansjacobs
      E30 Fanatic
      • May 2010
      • 1278

      #3
      my dad and I had this conversation last night that if you got rid of all religion and interbred all the races to where there is now just one grey race, people would still find a reason to hate eachother.
      Brian Jacobs

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      • uofom3
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        • Jan 2004
        • 5392

        #4
        Some things are always going to be different. There have always been haves and have nots, ugly/attractive people, winners/losers ect. But for some reason that went on before and didn't create problems at this level - I'm saying because it's part of an underlying understanding that we generally all adhere to at a foundational level.
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        • pureaudio
          E30 Enthusiast
          • May 2009
          • 1123

          #5
          Alien attack will unite the world, we should dump money into space travel and find someone to hate.
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          • CorvallisBMW
            Long Schlong Longhammer
            • Feb 2005
            • 13039

            #6
            HOLY FUCK TED IS ALIVE???!?!!??!

            Welcome back man!!!

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            • joshh
              R3V OG
              • Aug 2004
              • 6195

              #7
              First and foremost we have a serious lack of personal responsibility. That alone is a huge reason for what we have going on.
              The rest is really complicated and deep. I'm sure I could try but I'm sure I'd be leaving a lot out.

              Our politicians being swayed by money is another reason.
              It doesn't help when you go to vote and have two horrible people that are trying to represent you.
              America is slowly turning into a welfare state. People have this idea that it's okay to use other people's money because they are too fucking lazy and unmotivated to make themselves a better life.
              Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

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              • uofom3
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                • Jan 2004
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                #8
                I know, I know. And the m3 actually runs - kind of...
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                • uofom3
                  R3V Elite
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 5392

                  #9
                  Originally posted by joshh
                  America is slowly turning into a welfare state. People have this idea that it's okay to use other people's money because they are too fucking lazy and unmotivated to make themselves a better life.
                  That was my conclusion as well.

                  The problem is that hate for successful people translates into people getting elected who want to play modern day Robin Hood. If society has a functional understanding that you are going to have to provide for yourself then this problem likely goes away. It all comes back to the all-mighty dollar.
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                  • Nic01101011
                    E30 Mastermind
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 1550

                    #10
                    The US is a nation populated by the offspring of the people the other countries of the world didn't want.
                    It's been a mongrel mess from the start.
                    The whole entitled gimmegimmegimme mentality is the real problem, homogenous or not..

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                    • KenC
                      King of Kegstands
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 14396

                      #11
                      "Genocide is the greatest community-builder."
                      - Philip Gourevitch

                      The quote is perhaps the most extreme example, but there is nothing like a common enemy that bonds individuals together. We need another Nazi party or Imperial Japan to experience the same sort of universal camaraderie that we did in the 1940s.



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                      • StereoInstaller1
                        GAS
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 22679

                        #12
                        Someone said "together we stand, divided we fall"...but he was only talking about white Anglo-Saxons.

                        Ted, do you consider yourself conservative, moderate or liberal? Sometimes you sound damn near liberal, but I distinctly remember you being more conservative.

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                        • z31maniac
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                          • Dec 2007
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                          #13
                          I'd agree that the lack of perosnal responsibility is one of, if not the, most difficult problem we face today.

                          Well and apathy.
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                          • uofom3
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                            • Jan 2004
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by StereoInstaller1
                            Someone said "together we stand, divided we fall"...but he was only talking about white Anglo-Saxons.

                            Ted, do you consider yourself conservative, moderate or liberal? Sometimes you sound damn near liberal, but I distinctly remember you being more conservative.

                            Hope all is well, bubba! You gonna come up and visit soon?
                            I guess it's more libertarian because it depends on the issue.

                            Fiscally and for the sake of societal order I lean more to the right. But I don't base that some religious view or thinking some race is better than another or blame one sect of society. It's more that stable families, employed people, etc. make life better for those around them as well.

                            Socially I'm more middle of the road. I think that the war on drugs is bogus, and that there is a need for many of the social programs we have out of responsibility to society. However, i think a lot of those programs are misused and poorly run. Done right, I think we have more than enough capacity to make things work. BUT, it's how we go about doing it that bothers me.

                            I also believe in the equality of man in general. Race/gender/orientation/whatever doesn't mean one is better than the other. Unfortunately, everyone wants to point the finger at someone else instead of looking in on their own lives and their own community to solve their own problems - which makes the most sense as they are actually connected to their community just like I am with mine.
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                            • Farbin Kaiber
                              Lil' Puppet
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 29502

                              #15
                              Originally posted by KenC
                              "Genocide is the greatest community-builder."
                              - Philip Gourevitch

                              The quote is perhaps the most extreme example, but there is nothing like a common enemy that bonds individuals together. We need another Nazi party or Imperial Japan to experience the same sort of universal camaraderie that we did in the 1940s.
                              They have been trying, are you not watching?

                              Salmonella/Food Outbreaks
                              Anthrax
                              Terrorists - Foreign/Domestic
                              Global Warming beget Climate Change
                              Nations - Iran/N Korea/etc.

                              The problem, like it's been said, is we are too divided to even see the same situation long enough to get any form of grassroots "bonding". The pollination of ideas has become a thing of the past with the influx of "Special Unique-ism" we have bestowed on our society. That and all the "you ARE special", "smart balancing"(lower grade expectations to promote a slower, more even knowledge growth/base).

                              We need to accept, some of the society is dumb, and if they play in traffic, they might not get to reproduce. It's not our jobs to lower ourselves to their levels. Maybe try to bring them up, but we are suffering a huge dumbing down of our culture.

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