More Police Excessive Use of Force - Denver

[Leaf]

Talking to cops only hurts your case never helps it. Why say something they can use later in court when you can keep your mouth shut, talk to your lawyer, and proper fuck them later.

This is why we can and should bear arms.

[Kershaw]

bearing arms is not going to help you. you pretty much have to let them beat the crap out of you. and then go home and be ok about it.

if you shoot them, which imo is justified, your day got a whole lot worse.

[b*saint]

Its strange because Ive notice this kind of excessive force is mostly in small little shitty towns like where Fredk lives. Bigger cities Ive notice cops just let shit go. At least thats the way it is in Mass. Plus I dont take local police seriously. Only staties.

[alexw]

1: the attempt to detain the pedestrian, was 1st and foremost BULL SHIT and a violation of the 4th. Let alone the subsequent beating and punishment for standing his ground against a gestapo like enforcer of the state.

2: You dont have to show your ID to any cop strictly on the fact they want to see it. If they have no probable cause (you know like a traffic stop gives them), then you are well with in your rights to tell them to Pound sand.

I guess you've never heard of Terry v. Ohio.

They were well within the law to ask for identification and even frisk the "pedestrian" when he started interfering with the traffic stop.

[BraveUlysses]

I guess you've never heard of Terry v. Ohio.

They were well within the law to ask for identification and even frisk the "pedestrian" when he started interfering with the traffic stop.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio

Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court which held that the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures is not violated when a police officer stops a suspect on the street and searches him without probable cause to arrest, if the police officer has a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing, or is about to commit a crime.

Denver cops are pieces of shit.

[alexw]

I'd imagine there is laws on the books in Denver not allowing civilians to hinder police, or interfering with police business... Which would be a crime. I'd also imagine if an officer told someone to leave the area while he/she was on a traffic stop, that too might be failure to obey, or resisting.

There is officer safety involved here. Having a third party involved in a traffic stop requires more officers. The officer is within his/her right to question the intent of the pedestrian and frisk the individual.

Ultimately, most of you have deep seeded hate toward the police and no one will convince you otherwise. I don't buy the "I respect good cops" comments. It's like saying "I have a black friend!" after something racist was said.

But the department settled, or charges were dropped right? So that means the officers were in the wrong!!! Give me a break.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio



Denver cops are pieces of shit.

[mrsleeve]

I'd imagine there is laws on the books in Denver not allowing civilians to hinder police, or interfering with police business... Which would be a crime. I'd also imagine if an officer told someone to leave the area while he/she was on a traffic stop, that too might be failure to obey, or resisting.

Even with your own, would not allow this, Thank You Ulysses.

There is officer safety involved here. Having a third party involved in a traffic stop requires more officers. The officer is within his/her right to question the intent of the pedestrian and frisk the individual.

Pleas explain how telling a person I am willing to testify that you were in the right is obstructing an officer, or interfering with him conducting the stop???? Unless of course you count the revenue generation portion of their job

Ultimately, most of you have deep seeded hate toward the police and no one will convince you otherwise. I don't buy the "I respect good cops" comments. It's like saying "I have a black friend!" after something racist was said.

I have been the 1st to jump to the defense of cops when they are in the right. The over militarization of our police forces that think they are above the law is really starting to show

But the department settled, or charges were dropped right? So that means the officers were in the wrong!!! Give me a break.

NO THE DA DID NOT PRESS CHARGES BECAUSE THE GUY DID NOT DO ANYTHING WONG AND THE COPS HAD NO LEGAL GROUNDS TO PULL THAT SHIT.

[b*saint]

Apparently alexw is

a) a relative of a cop
b) is studying to become a cop and is really into it.

[alexw]

Apparently alexw is

a) a relative of a cop
b) is studying to become a cop and is really into it.

With that logic, apparently you/others are all victims of police brutality?

[joshh]

With that logic, apparently you/others are all victims of police brutality?

Funny how that had to get personal....


I'd like to find out exactly what happened between the guy talking to the driver and what happened with the police before I make a choice on what happened. But either way I think this situation got out of hand.
The police need to be better trained at decreasing escalating situations.

[Atreus]

the officers WERE wrong, they've been wrong a lot lately...

[alexw]

I'd like to find out exactly what happened between the guy talking to the driver and what happened with the police before I make a choice on what happened. But either way I think this situation got out of hand.

I agree, and thats the whole point here, and why I chime in on these threads.

We never see the whole video. And if you watch the original video posted, they say the "unedited" whole video can be seen on their website. If you go to the site, they have a minute and a few seconds of raw footage. It doesn't show anything other than the fight.

So I can't be as passonate as some of you are, ready to hang these officers. We don't know the whole story. There is no audio, no written statements, and more importantly, no whole unedited video.

[mrsleeve]

I fully think for the bulk of the police force need to be armed with a rubber stick and nothing else. No tazer, no gun, no club, no pepper juice, no fucking nothing. Would force them to use their heads and negotiation skills rather than brutality. I bet we would see a ton less of this shit.

Not all cops disarmed just be like the UK where only a small has a weapon.

[alexw]

I fully think for the bulk of the police force need to be armed with a rubber stick and nothing else. No tazer, no gun, no club, no pepper juice, no fucking nothing. Would force them to use their heads and negotiation skills rather than brutality. I bet we would see a ton less of this shit.

Not all cops disarmed just be like the UK where only a small has a weapon.

Well that would surely help kill more cops, if thats what you're gunning for... (PUN intended)

[mrsleeve]

Well that would surely help kill more cops, if thats what you're gunning for... (PUN intended)

NO it would not, it would force them to respect the people they are dealing with. It would force them to be civil and not hide behind a gun, tazer, and a good ol boys network of badged thugs.

Shit like this keeps up the people will push back and there will be lots of dead and injured cops and agents of the state all over the country