Is polygamy a protected religious right?

[ldsbeaker]

^^ Same thing in Mass.
We got married in MD instead. In a church.

[joshh]

In the shit hole of LA you have to get a blood test before you could get your marriage license. At least that's the way it was in the 90's. Talk about over reaching.

[mrsleeve]

Doesn't exist in Oregon. Shauna and I HAD to pay for and obtain a license from the State to be legally married.

but it dose in the deep south, MT ID OK and several others

[Ryann]

Doesn't exist in Oregon. Shauna and I HAD to pay for and obtain a license from the State to be legally married.

[mrsleeve]

Seems like you guys are overlooking the key point in my post. The fact that you have to obtain a marriage license to be married AT ALL, whether in a church or not, is absurd from the perspective of "separation of church and state" because marriage is a religious institution. I think marriage is the best example of the State meddling in religious affairs.

Again you dont have to have the state or the Church to get married, and be in a legally binding marriage, No license no ceremony, no judge NO NOTHING Look up common law.

While not recognized in all states initially , it is recognized if you were a resident of a state that dose recognize them when you entered into to it.

[Ryann]

Seems like you guys are overlooking the key point in my post. The fact that you have to obtain a marriage license to be married AT ALL, whether in a church or not, is absurd from the perspective of "separation of church and state" because marriage is a religious institution. I think marriage is the best example of the State meddling in religious affairs.

[mrsleeve]

^^^Correct. It was in the letter to the Danbury Baptists.

"Separation of Church and State - The Metaphor and the Constitution
"Separation of church and state" is a common metaphor that is well recognized. Equally well recognized is the metaphorical meaning of the church staying out of the state's business and the state staying out of the church's business. Because of the very common usage of the "separation of church and state phrase," most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business. "

Ever hear of a Common law marriage?????? you can be married and never set foot into a Church or a Court house. get a license or have a party or ceremony Like Z said marriage is bad example

Also the idea of separation is that the state can not endorse one religion over another. Not that either cant have any influence over the other

[z31maniac]

Conflicts between religion and law arise simply because the two are and always have been intermingled. Prime example, marriage. A religious institution, yet governed by laws. Laws that give way to things like the gay marriage issue. You gotta ask yourself, "why do I have to obtain a license to get married in a church?" It's constitutional rights vs. religious rights, and they often contradict themselves. True separation of Church and State does not exist.

uhhhhh, just so you know, you don't HAVE to be married at a church.

Marriage is a LEGAL arrangement with religious foundations. But for all intents and purposes the church/state aspects are separated.

You make some good points in general, but marriage is a bad example of your argument.

[Massive Lee]

^^^Correct. It was in the letter to the Danbury Baptists.

"Separation of Church and State - The Metaphor and the Constitution
"Separation of church and state" is a common metaphor that is well recognized. Equally well recognized is the metaphorical meaning of the church staying out of the state's business and the state staying out of the church's business. Because of the very common usage of the "separation of church and state phrase," most people incorrectly think the phrase is in the constitution. The phrase "wall of separation between the church and the state" was originally coined by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on January 1, 1802. His purpose in this letter was to assuage the fears of the Danbury, Connecticut Baptists, and so he told them that this wall had been erected to protect them. The metaphor was used exclusively to keep the state out of the church's business, not to keep the church out of the state's business. "

[joshh]

Currently, people use the terms "separation of Church and State", introduced in he 1950s, which might be misleading in its interpretations. The original terms were "wall of separation between church and state" and are perhaps more precise in its meaning: the state will not interfere with the practice of your religion. And your religion will not interfere with the state.

Reality is that such wall leaks a lot...

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

It says nothing about a wall and it says nothing about "separation" of church and state.
You may practice your religion as long as you do not break the law. And no laws will be made "respecting" (concerning) a religion.

The Utah highway crosses are Constitutional, the law in Oklahoma vs Islam is unconstitutional, the putting up religious plaques in Government buildings is Constitutional (unfortunately).

I would love it if it said a separation or wall but it doesn't.

[Massive Lee]

Currently, people use the terms "separation of Church and State", introduced in he 1950s, which might be misleading in its interpretations. The original terms were "wall of separation between church and state" and are perhaps more precise in its meaning: the state will not interfere with the practice of your religion. And your religion will not interfere with the state.

Reality is that such wall leaks a lot...

[Ryann]

People always mistake the true meaning of separation of church and state, and this thread is a prime example... Like I said above, the law is the law, no exceptions for those whose "religion" dictates them in a manner that goes against said law.

The "true meaning" of separation of Church and State constitutionally is far removed from our current reality. This country's founders wanted to protect Protestant Christians who believed that they had a right to read an English bible at home, without the manipulation and prosecution of the all powerful and political Church.

[briansjacobs]

People always mistake the true meaning of separation of church and state, and this thread is a prime example... Like I said above, the law is the law, no exceptions for those whose "religion" dictates them in a manner that goes against said law.

I think the question is what is the basis for the law? Is the law based on some religous belief and therefore unconstitutional?

[VasFinest]

People always mistake the true meaning of separation of church and state, and this thread is a prime example... Like I said above, the law is the law, no exceptions for those whose "religion" dictates them in a manner that goes against said law.

[joshh]

Marriage and law should not be connected at all.

And there we agree.