The Bush Tax cuts...

[Vedubin01]

And what about the people who actually DID get fucked by the system? I am not talking about the scumbag high school dropouts living on welfare, I am talking about the person who was paralyzed when he was hit by a drunk driver and cant work. Are we just supposed to say "oh well thats too bad" and then let him rot?

should be family or the local community, not the federal government!

[VasFinest]

boy it doesnt get any more basic than this. nobody in their right mind can argue against this

Exactly. Also, we should cut out a large portion of wellfare/food stamps. Drug tests should be mandatory for anyone receiving these, and the welfare money should be tracked to make sure they are spending it on things other than crack and 22" spinners. But thats another debate isn't it??


Also I swear half the people in this thread I never see in any other section except P&R...

[LBJefferies]

And what about the people who actually DID get fucked by the system? I am not talking about the scumbag high school dropouts living on welfare, I am talking about the person who was paralyzed when he was hit by a drunk driver and cant work. Are we just supposed to say "oh well thats too bad" and then let him rot?

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That

This is why I am in favor of the Flat or even the fair tax

[blunttech]

Usually they just argue that the "system" allowed me to make more.

yes but the more productive one is the more they are penalized. gives one incentive to get up and work hard doesnt it?

[Vedubin01]

Dear Massive Lee,


I am still waiting for my tracking number to receive my free brakes... please dont make me call the NAACP to start harassing you and your business.

Thank you,

Everyone Equal

[Ryan Stewart]

boy it doesnt get any more basic than this. nobody in their right mind can argue against this

Usually they just argue that the "system" allowed me to make more.

[blunttech]

so let me see if i understand you

i make $300k
you make $30k
nobody gave either of us anything except opportunity

you believe its your right to take some of my money

that about right
for all you libs?

boy it doesnt get any more basic than this. nobody in their right mind can argue against this

[z31maniac]

There's no mandated minimum amount though.

Poor argument point, because there is no mandated maximum either.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See my edit, How is it vague, the primary task of the federal govt is to PROTECT the united states IE defense, you know the NAVY, and the Army, so one and so forth.
I gave you the what the founders meant by welfare, again not vague at all. seems fairly obvious to me

[LBJefferies]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaah

at your lack or understanding of the word Welfare in the context of the Constitution.

LOL Really I now have to clean the coffee outta this computer.

Welfare in that context dose not mean hand out food, housing, heath care, and what not to those that are too lazy to get off thier ass and feed them selves .

Welfare means the well being of the citizenry, so they can live their lives and provide for them selves, and help each other in times of need. Its not the job of the govt, the sooner you get off the socialism band wagon the better

Thats not my point you nimrod. My point was that the part of the constitution that says to provide defense (and welfare) is pretty damn vague.

[mrsleeve]

Are you talking about the Preamble to the constitution because im sure it also says something about welfare in their as well.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaah

at your lack or understanding of the word Welfare in the context of the Constitution.

LOL Really I now have to clean the coffee outta this computer.

Welfare in that context dose not mean hand out food, housing, heath care, and what not to those that are too lazy to get off thier ass and feed them selves .

Welfare means the well being of the citizenry, so they can live their lives and provide for them selves, and help each other in times of need. Its not the job of the govt, the sooner you get off the socialism band wagon the better


Since we are that topic for a sec here is good one form another one of my favorite founders

I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” – Ben Franklin

[LBJefferies]

What are those items? It doesnt really define them.

And the point still stands, we also spend a horrendous amount on a federal level on social programs. Both should shrink.

Oh i dunno, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan maybe.

[Ryan Stewart]

Military spending extends beyond the budget of the Dept of Defense.

What are those items? It doesnt really define them.

And the point still stands, we also spend a horrendous amount on a federal level on social programs. Both should shrink.

[LBJefferies]

Defense is one of the FEW MANDATES OF THE FEDERAL GOVT you know one of the few things its actually supposed to do and spend money on

Are you talking about the Preamble to the constitution because im sure it also says something about welfare in their as well.