The Bush Tax cuts...

[KenC]

Defense is one of the FEW MANDATES OF THE FEDERAL GOVT you know one of the few things its actually supposed to do and spend money on

There's no mandated minimum amount though.

[mrsleeve]

Defense is one of the FEW MANDATES OF THE FEDERAL GOVT you know one of the few things its actually supposed to do and spend money on

[gwb72tii]

It's so funny when guys who are so far from earning $250k a year are so eager to defend those who actually make the dough. But hey, if your master makes money, maybe you can get some tip when you wipe his ass. It's called the slave mentality.

so let me see if i understand you

i make $300k
you make $30k
nobody gave either of us anything except opportunity

you believe its your right to take some of my money

that about right
for all you libs?

[KenC]

$66bil. Aka slightly less than we would save if we cut the social welfare programs outlay by 10%

Military spending extends beyond the budget of the Dept of Defense.

Budget for 2010

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $533.8 billion. Adding spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.8 billion.[1][2]

When the budget was signed into law on October 28, 2009, the final size of the Department of Defense's budget was $680 billion, $16 billion more than President Obama had requested.[3] An additional $37 billion supplemental bill to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was expected to pass in the spring of 2010, but has been delayed by the House of Representatives after passing the Senate.[4][5] Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $319 billion and $654 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $1.01 and $1.35 trillion in fiscal year 2010.[6]

[LBJefferies]

Nice, the social programs have just gotten out of hand. Many people need help, so let's actually help them. This doesn't mean placing food in their mouth.

And what about the 600 billion dollar social program known as the US Military?

[joshh]

AMEN! I agree with you Joshh

Nice, the social programs have just gotten out of hand. Many people need help, so let's actually help them. This doesn't mean placing food in their mouth.

[Ryan Stewart]

trim military spending by 10%... would save a little over $100bil

$66bil. Aka slightly less than we would save if we cut the social welfare programs outlay by 10%

[Ryan Stewart]

lol @ teens not having sex. Good luck with that one, let me know how it turns out :up:

If you guys want to live in a libertarian society where you pay only minimal taxes and the government has no entitlement programs, handouts, welfare or the like, why don't you just move to some African shithole? Zero taxes, zero government intrusion in to your life, no 'nanny state' BS and certainly no gov't run health care! It'll be perfect for you! You can rely on yourself and only yourself, you don't have to take care of anyone else. It'll be like a joshh/vedubin1 utopia!

Well, if we are going to just make shit up in hyperbole then you could just move to North Korea. They take care of everything for you. Decisions and personal freedoms are overrated, your faith in dear leader will keep you warm. Or Iran, they have an economy at least. And hey, according to Aminajimjab they dont have queers. Thats a good thing, right?

Govt is a nessecary evil, but it doesnt have to be an evil. Our govt could stick to doing what it was designed to do and be just fine.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^66

Govt is a necessary evil, and is required to have functional society. You know this though dont you.

You see the idea is to have as little govt as possible. The govt is not supposed to take care of you because you dont have the will to take care of your self. We have had this conversation before.

Your comparison of the Founding Ideals and principals of the USA to modern day Somalia is laughable and kinda sad you keep posting it up like its some kind statement of fact. That cartoon (while moderately humorous) is just a product of those that oppose such ideals with an attempt to paint those of us that hold those ideals close, as back woods fools, that are not enlightened enough or educated or smart enough to GET IT. The thing is we DO GET IT, but see though the rhetoric and foe idealism wrapping for what is really underneath.

[CorvallisBMW]

lol @ teens not having sex. Good luck with that one, let me know how it turns out :up:

If you guys want to live in a libertarian society where you pay only minimal taxes and the government has no entitlement programs, handouts, welfare or the like, why don't you just move to some African shithole? Zero taxes, zero government intrusion in to your life, no 'nanny state' BS and certainly no gov't run health care! It'll be perfect for you! You can rely on yourself and only yourself, you don't have to take care of anyone else. It'll be like a joshh/vedubin1 utopia!

[Vedubin01]

A girl doesn't uses birth control and gets pregnant=not my problem.

A girl uses birth control and gets pregnant=still not my problem.

Why exactly am I paying for her to have an abortion? Because she can't? Maybe she shouldn't be having sex if she can't deal with the consequences of pregnancy! Oh no, that's ridiculous of course because as extreme as that is it's the responsible thing to do. Blasphemy!

I'm also against Medicare and Medicaid unless the person is disabled or has no extended family. Maybe people should treat their families better knowing the family will have to take care of them when they get old. I know that's out of the question because all one needs to do is find a bleeding heart liberal.

AMEN! I agree with you Joshh

[joshh]

A girl doesn't use birth control and gets pregnant=not my problem.

A girl uses birth control and gets pregnant=still not my problem.

Why exactly am I paying for her to have an abortion? Because she can't? Maybe she shouldn't be having sex if she can't deal with the consequences of pregnancy! Oh no, that's ridiculous of course because as extreme as that is it's the responsible thing to do. Blasphemy!

I'm also against Medicare and Medicaid unless the person is disabled or has no extended family. Maybe people should treat their families better knowing the family will have to take care of them when they get old. I know that's out of the question because all one needs to do is find a bleeding heart liberal.

[joshh]

It has nothing to do with allowing failure or not. It has to do with preventing a boatload of teen pregnancies that do a great deal of harm to the society which you wish to see 'saved'. Planned Parenthood doesn't enable failure; it gives people the ability to take responsibility for their reproductive health. The girls/women who get birth control are usually poor and without health insurance. They cannot afford full-price prescription drugs and, without the aid of organizations like PP, would not have access to any birth control period. So by making birth control available to them, you give them the ability to take care of themselves, which is exactly what you seem to advocate for; personal responsibility.

You contradict yourself with every post you make :loco:

You first have to have a sense of what a consequence is as you're obviously missing that.

If these girls always have a place to go for either an abortion or operations then they have no need for responsibility. And thus will always lean on the rest of us to take care of that need for them. Just in case you missed that, there are no consequences. No one is even knocking on their door for cash. Or in some cases very little cash.
And there's no reason I should have to pay for their child either. That's their problem that they chose to be burdened with. Or their abortion...

Responsibility is learned and taught. It's not a natural inherent human trait. This is why hand outs have proven to be a drain on the system instead of a hand UP.

The more the hand outs=the more Americans look for hand outs and rely on others for their daily needs.

I'd be fine with passing out birth control to a degree.

[Vedubin01]

I didn't watch your video, here at work it's blocked, but the fight wasn't over taxation it was "taxation without representation."

has nothing to do with Taxation. But its the 9 trillion dollars unaccounted for in the Federal Reserve. This is over the last 8 months.....

[CorvallisBMW]

Because these people have been train by our failing system that they are no longer responsible for their own debt or their own laziness/actions. Start making people responsible for their own costs on this society and you'll see America gain strength again. And some fucking pride again (for those that don't have any).
You go to the ER you get a bill and they intend to collect on it.
I've been to the ER twice before I had insurance for my inner ear condition. You know what we did, we paid them $5-$10.00 a month till it was paid off. I kid you not. We did this and it sucked but we were hurting much worse back then. But we took care of it because it was the right thing to do. Hospitals are pretty easy to work with on payment matters if they see you're trying to pay the bill.
For those who are disabled it's another matter and I'm all for taking care of them.

It has nothing to do with allowing failure or not. It has to do with preventing a boatload of teen pregnancies that do a great deal of harm to the society which you wish to see 'saved'. Planned Parenthood doesn't enable failure; it gives people the ability to take responsibility for their reproductive health. The girls/women who get birth control are usually poor and without health insurance. They cannot afford full-price prescription drugs and, without the aid of organizations like PP, would not have access to any birth control period. So by making birth control available to them, you give them the ability to take care of themselves, which is exactly what you seem to advocate for; personal responsibility.

You contradict yourself with every post you make :loco: