I want to see if any of you can figure out this one out......

[u3b3rg33k]

Seems perfectly normal to me. Tourism is a big deal in Dubai, majority of the tourists Christians. What I want to see is Abdul Habib dressed up as Santa with little English kids sitting on his lap listening to what they want for Xmas.

At least there won't be any drunk santas...

[u3b3rg33k]

L see's what I'm getting at. The majority there can be tolerant of a Christmas tree to TOURISTS (granted it's about making money), but in America people are changing "Christmas Parades" to "Holiday Parades" and stuff like to avoid offending the minority, even though the majority of Americans would identify themselves as Catholic/Protestant.

Just seems a bit ironic.

Funny, the news station here just started saying merry x-mas again instead of happy holidays.

[mrsleeve]

You mean so little? Gasoline is one of the cheapest liquids we purchase.

You'd think a liquid so incredibly important to our current way of life might be priced accordingly. Instead, this highly processed, certainly finite resource is priced so low that no one even thinks twice about wasting vast amounts of it idling through fast-food drive-throughs, and driving cars that favor the horsepower wars instead of the efficiency wars.

We humans think the party will never end.

WOULD BE MUCH MUCH CHEAPER THAN IT IS. If the govt didnt tax the living shit outta it. We have had this conversation about 14 times now.

If you have that to bitch about, I suggest you turn in your car keys and ride a fucking pedal bike everywhere or walk your happy ass to where you want to go

[u3b3rg33k]

I saw some math done once that shows it's actually cheaper to operate a small 2-stroke powered bike than it is for a fit person to commute on a road bicycle.

dead dino blood FTW.

[priapism]

still dose not understand why gas costs so much

Supply / demand

[mrsleeve]

Supply / demand

Is a big factor that causes the fluctuations in the commodity prices and the day price. Thats what what we are told, and the generally sheepish people take it for granted cuz it comes from the talking picture box on the wall

But thats not what causes the cost to be as high as it is. Big oil only makes 6-8% on refined products.

National average for 87 octane is 2.98
55% is cost of the raw product
14% is refinement a transport
7% is margins
2% for stations margins

the rest is all TAXES. But included in the above percentages include import/production taxes for every barrel consumed, sales taxes (several times), transport taxes, property taxes, wind fall profit taxes, use taxes, Fees, Permits, and the list goes on and on. So the real cost is closer to 50% taxes and other govt remittances, and 50% operating costs, profits and actually making useful goods. Look to Europe and all the other places where gas is very expensive its the 100-200% taxes places on the refined products to pay for Free health care and pay for social programs.

Now this holds true till we production short falls and spiking demand (remember summer of 08) then the Supply and demand rules are the lions share as most of the tax are a flat rate.

But really 1983-2008 Big oll remitted 2.2 trillion dollars to the Govt's just in the USA. thats more than 3 times their NET profits. in 03-08 XOM remitted over 100b to the feds alone. Get the picture yet

[priapism]

Is a big factor that causes the fluctuations in the commodity prices and the day price. Thats what what we are told, and the generally sheepish people take it for granted cuz it comes from the talking picture box on the wall

But thats not what causes the cost to be as high as it is. Big oil only makes 6-8% on refined products.

TAXES

Federal taxes are 18.4 cents per gallon.

Quit buying gas and watch the price drop. It's not that hard.

[mrsleeve]

Federal taxes are 18.4 cents per gallon.

Quit buying gas and watch the price drop. It's not that hard.

See my edit, that is JUST feds retail tax for end consumer. You pay a state and local taxes as well PLUS A Sales tax on ALL THOSE TAXES, yes you are paying TAX ON TAXES.

There is a 2cent a gallon when it goes into the stations storage tanks, the station pays a sales tax on their purchases. You really dont see it do you.

I need gas, I dont really care what it costs, I will fill my tanks when I need to and thats that. I know where the bulk of the cost comes from and there is little we can do about it.

[Kershaw]

im going to call myself mrshirt and bitch about water being so damn expensive.

[priapism]

See my edit, that is JUST feds retail tax for end consumer. You pay a state and local taxes as well PLUS A Sales tax on ALL THOSE TAXES, yes you are paying TAX ON TAXES.

No, there isn't a sales tax in all states, only a small handful of them. You're misrepresenting the facts, or misunderstanding them.

You really dont see it do you.

YOUR OWN POST proves otherwise. Did you read that thing you copied and pasted? 22% is taxes according to YOUR post. How is that any kind of majority?

I need gas, I dont really care what it costs, I will fill my tanks when I need to and thats that.

Exactly, I'm glad we're in agreement. Supply and demand: you demand it, you will continue to demand it, and so long as you do they can rape you every bit as much as you do.

What you're also not getting is that the gov't can charge these taxes because of the basic laws of supply and demand. If people didn't demand it so much they wouldn't be able to get away with charging so much for it because people would move on to other sources of energy.

[priapism]

But really 1983-2008 Big oll remitted 2.2 trillion dollars to the Govt's just in the USA. thats more than 3 times their NET profits. in 03-08 XOM remitted over 100b to the feds alone. Get the picture yet

You're suggesting that income taxes are why gas prices are so high? WTF

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
That is ALL TAXES AND FEES THAT HAVE BEEN REMITTED, NOT JUST THE CORPORATE INCOME TAXES. I am sugesting that GOVT getting into it all and taxing and "feeing" and getting its grubby parasitic fingers into every aspect of ANYTHING that has lots of money associated with is why gas is so expensive.

Its part of the green agenda, make conventional energy sources ARTIFICIALLY more expensive though fees and taxes (why do you think they want to get cap and trade passed so bad???? Its not to save the fucking planet and stop it form getting warm it was 20 fucking degrees in Orlando this week) Its to make the "green" alternatives ARTIFICIALLY more competitive. There by giving the govt greater control of the energy markets and in doing so greater control over the population.

No, there isn't a sales tax in all states, only a small handful of them. You're misrepresenting the facts, or misunderstanding them.

No most of them do CA where you are dose soooooo...................

YOUR OWN POST proves otherwise. Did you read that thing you copied and pasted? 22% is taxes according to YOUR post. How is that any kind of majority?

Right out right taxes that are not built into those production and acquisition costs numbers, like I stated the 1st time.


You really dont think every time the taxes go up for say property taxes, or wind fall profits, or permitting fees for building facilities that those hikes are not reflected in the price of the products they produce and sell?????? They just pass those costs on US the end consumer, we pay it NOT them, they are just the middle man.

Rape where do you get that from...............................

[unrlmth]

Is that the same hotel that was in the Sex and the City movie? Or based off of it?

[Wiglaf]

The hotel, which bills itself as seven-star, in February introduced a package for a seven-day stay priced at one million dollars.

Takers of the package have a private butler and a chauffeur-driven Maybach luxury car at their disposal during their stay, as well as a private jet available for trips to other countries in the region.

And in May, the hotel opened a gold vending machine, becoming the first place outside Germany to install "gold to go, the world's first gold vending machine," said Ex Oriente Lux AG, the German company behind the machine.

These people live in a world that exists above ours. The land of rich people. Our petty day to day issues of things like the price of gasoline barely amount to background noise in their ears. They have more pressing concerns, like where the nearest GOLD PRODUCING VENDING MAHCINE is.

[priapism]

Windfall profts tax was repealed in 1988 and recent attempts to reinstate it did not pass. Every business pays the other taxes you're listing. You're making shit up. This is pointless, you don't care about facts.