This Looks Bad For Planned Parenthood?

[joshh]

And no one ever makes a mistake if the have an R or Tea Party stamp next to there name.

And responsibility is not universal, there are people out there raised by asshats who have not distilled values or credibility in there children. Who are now out fucking and creating more babies. I wonder sometimes with your posts whether your trolling or seriously that dense to see that not everyone is going have the same understanding (for better or worse) of people actions.

Planned Parenthood saved my ass when I was 17, I took my girlfriend at the time to get birth control, that's one less possible kid the state would of have to support when I was young.

When I did have my daughter at 21, I was not married and not happy with direction my life was going. At that time abortion was on the table; it didn't happen but even when my daughter was born she was on state health care for 3 years. That's three years my daughter being a drain on the tax system as soooooo many of you like to point out. I'm a somewhat responsible person but I made a mistake and for it I am a parent; who had the choice. Which is exactly what planned parenthood is there for, a choice.

Where do you guys get that shit from? I have beaten the shit out of Bush and many things the R's have done yet several of you keep your nose to the "joshh is just a liberal hater" grindstone. The Republicans are a part of the problem.

I don't see it that way. Responsibility exists no matter what choice a person chooses to make. The better (pro survival) the choice the more responsible the choice. Because someone was raised in a very bad way does not excuse them of making good decisions that will help them later in life. I.E. We do not give people a free pass to break the law because they were raised poorly. And to put that problem on the backs of the rest of this society is wrong and unproductive.

[e30e]

Where do you guys get that shit from? I have beaten the shit out of Bush and many things the R's have done yet several of you keep your nose to the "joshh is just a liberal hater" grindstone. The Republicans are a part of the problem.

I don't see it that way. Responsibility exists no matter what choice a person chooses to make. The better (pro survival) the choice the more responsible the choice. Because someone was raised in a very bad way does not excuse them of making good decisions that will help them later in life. I.E. We do not give people a free pass to break the law because they were raised poorly. And to put that problem on the backs of the rest of this society is wrong and unproductive.

Never said mistakes should get a free pass, but if you punish your child for something they had no clue they were doing wrong; who's the asshole the parent or the kid. Society wants to punish people for people's mistakes when they didn't know right from wrong due to there upbringing. That doesn't teach them right from wrong, it teaches them anger and to rebellion even more. This isn't waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles liberal speak, this is common sense from dealing with people.

[KenC]

Yeah, you shouldn't even be allowed to buy name brand products when there is a generic equivalent.

No tobacco, alcohol or $5 starbucks coffee. Those are luxuries, not necessities.

I agree with the principle, but I'm worried about implementation of deciding which product brand is OK and which isn't. I think you'd have a ton of Kraft and Yoo-Hoo (does that shit still even exist, by the way?) lobbyists causing a shitstorm.

I'm not sure about other states, but you can't buy prepared foods, tobacco or booze with the cards here.

[KenC]

Thanks for the red herring.

Not one abortion should be paid for with tax dollars.

Abortions aren't paid for with tax dollars.
They use the tax money to provide birth control, pap smears, and other medical services.

[KenC]

no, because there are specific federal gas tax dollars specific to transportation related issues, that's why.
this is a private company getting $300 million/yr to perform abortions. there is no specific tax involved dedicated to abortions, it comes from my social security withholding (ie the general fund, which BTW borrows $0.40 for every dollar spent).
and the tax savings is moot
if you can't start here and defund PP and Acorn and others like them, there will never be a balanced budget

They don't use tax dollars for abortions.

PP is the only source of "female care" (paps, etc) that many people without health insurance have.

[joshh]

Never said mistakes should get a free pass, but if you punish your child for something they had no clue they were doing wrong; who's the asshole the parent or the kid. Society wants to punish people for people's mistakes when they didn't know right from wrong due to there upbringing. That doesn't teach them right from wrong, it teaches them anger and to rebellion even more. This isn't waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles liberal speak, this is common sense from dealing with people.

Sounds the same to me. The idea gives them an out because "they don't know better". I don't subscribe to the idea these people don't know that ejaculating inside a girl will produce a baby.

I agree with the principle, but I'm worried about implementation of deciding which product brand is OK and which isn't. I think you'd have a ton of Kraft and Yoo-Hoo (does that shit still even exist, by the way?) lobbyists causing a shitstorm.

I'm not sure about other states, but you can't buy prepared foods, tobacco or booze with the cards here.

I know what you're saying but when you support the organization like that it becomes a "Six of one ..." situation. It's very easy to still give them money and say it doesn't go toward abortions. It's not direct support to abortions but giving them money keeps them in business so they can give more abortions.

[z31maniac]

I agree with the principle, but I'm worried about implementation of deciding which product brand is OK and which isn't. I think you'd have a ton of Kraft and Yoo-Hoo (does that shit still even exist, by the way?) lobbyists causing a shitstorm.

I'm not sure about other states, but you can't buy prepared foods, tobacco or booze with the cards here.

You can buy just about anything here, and you've been able to for years. It's only become more "open" with what you can purchase stuff with here.


I'd be happy if they would just implement drug testing for ALL WELFARE recepients over the age of 18.

If you've got money to spend on pot/crack/booze, guess what? You've also got money to feed you or your family instead.

[e30e]

Sounds the same to me. The idea gives them an out because "they don't know better". I don't subscribe to the idea these people don't know that ejaculating inside a girl will produce a baby.

Have you watch these preggo chicks on tv or seen what the education system produces abstinence only education. There are really ignorant people out there that truely don't know what makes a baby until after there pregnant. Do we punish them, no; we do give them the better choice of choosing abortion.

[z31maniac]

I was taught about the "birds and the bees" and the consequences of sex (pregnancy/STD's) in the 5th grade. Then again in 7th and 9th. From the school.

So who are all these people that are so fucking stupid they don't know having sex can get someone preggers.

Even the first time!?!?!?!??!?!?!

[BraveUlysses]

Sounds the same to me. The idea gives them an out because "they don't know better". I don't subscribe to the idea these people don't know that ejaculating inside a girl will produce a baby.

I think you'd be surprised, unfortunately.

I know what you're saying but when you support the organization like that it becomes a "Six of one ..." situation. It's very easy to still give them money and say it doesn't go toward abortions. It's not direct support to abortions but giving them money keeps them in business so they can give more abortions.

Yes but this is why I asked earlier in the thread, what percentage of all the procedures that PP does annually are actually abortions?

They aren't "in the business of giving abortions" but they are in the business of treating and assisting with a wide variety reproductive health issues.

[gwb72tii]

Abortions aren't paid for with tax dollars.
They use the tax money to provide birth control, pap smears, and other medical services.

Hello?
tax dollars go to PP
PP is an abortion mega center business
therefore
tax dollars go to pay for abortions

[KenC]

Hello?
tax dollars go to PP
PP is an abortion mega center business
therefore
tax dollars go to pay for abortions

The tax money is specifically NOT used for abortions.


Oregon Health & Science University in Portland receives tens of millions of dollars from taxes, and they provide abortions. However, as in the case of PP, they cannot use Federal funds to perform them.

Each have accountants and controllers that allocate and account for each dollar spent. If either of them were fully funded by tax revenue, neither would perform abortions.

I can't make it any simpler than that...

[z31maniac]

I think he's making the point that let's say, yes no Fed money DIRECTLY pays for abortion, but maybe the Fed money pays the staff/electricity/insurance whatever. So without staff, electricity or insurance they couldn't perform the abortions.

So at least indirectly Fed money could support.

Not saying I agree or disagree, just that's how I think he is building his argument.

[KenC]

Yeah, I got what he was implying. Just thought it was a weak argument as you can "indirectly" fund just about anything.

[z31maniac]

Agreed.

But does it make it less important? I don't know.