Sales of the GM Volt.

[rwh11385]

Lol. Who are you? Most of this reply is hilarious due to the irony and poor English. Oh well, I laughed about the I'm not going to flame you, proceeds to flame part. And assuming I'm not involved with EVs at all.

Why do you keep saying that people don't think one can tow charge an EV? It's just not very efficient. Everyone has seen that crazy dude charging his Leaf with a Tundra and a rope but most don't think it's an overall intelligent solution to range needs.

What are you educated in? Owning POS cars and taking physics advice from forums?

rw


I just reviewed most of your posts in this thread

and Im not going to flame you, because you werent even the one arguing with me

but your additions to this thread are so stupid I dont even need to point them out. Check out the posts by rw in this thread, his head is 3 feet up his ass and he knows about as much about physics as my fucking cat.

youre not in the market for a fucking ev vehicle you dont even understand enough to repeat what you read in newsweek about them.

u3 on the other hand is halfway bright, just never actually looked the stuff up.

Used his own theories which werent really up to date. then looked up charging circuits. Pretty aware he didnt know and looked stuff up.

Couldnt expect anyone else to do anything different.
Actually pretty much the same as me.

I actually own an rv, and this subject has been chatted about a lot by more educated people in some of the rv forums I check out, so I looked most of the facts up before I went to share it with you all.

this is Im pretty sure the only place in the world where people are discussing how towing an electric vehicle cant recharge it.

[rwh11385]

I want to know why like discussions on technology on r3v board are in a hard to reach subforum? I mean, I obviously see why, flaming idiots with forum pictures talking about stupid shit.

Whats so stupid about old bmw owners that they cant even share what they learned, they just flame eachother like little imbeciles?

I swear I check out my honda civic and toyota truck forum and once in a great while now come here and theres none of this bullshit there.

You might want to look in the mirror.

ya towing the vehicle as it already is works

isnt the best or safest way.

the next generation will be modified so it is safer and more effecient. Your theories on it, and reality, are still a bit distant.
The brakes dont have to be slowing the vehicle down to generate electricity, thats the next generation.

I cant say when but the idea is pretty self evident. You dont need to introduce any drag to generate electricity.

I cant believe any even highschool grad is confused by this.

actually, towing a electric car with a tow truck isnt any different. And that is a good point, in the future, it will happen. A tow will also generate electricity.

Work is still required to create the kinetic energy that generates the electricity... Using fossil fuels to drive a large vehicle to tow a BEV doesn't make any sense.

[rwh11385]

Towing seems to be a dumb way to charge a vehicle outside of absolute necessity. an IC gas engine is at best 33% efficient (converting fuel to mechanical motion), call it 30% supplied to the transmission, and then you have to remove drivetrain loss and wheel to road to wheel to generator loss as well.

There is merit to a solid tow bar charging tow however - AAA would be able to offer a "tow you to work" or "tow your dumb ass home from the mall" when you forget to plug the car in and it refuses to move, and give you some charge in the process - it would likely combine the "5 gallons of gas" and "100 mile no charge tow" option that I have now. that way they'd at least have enough charge to drive into the parking garage / house garage.

At least you have some logic.

And AAA already have quick charge trucks: http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-motorists.htm

I've seen similar trucks around some EV events I went to.

[u3b3rg33k]

Took a quick look at that link, and IMHO, I think the PTO generator option is the most logical.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too..._119923_119923
for $3k (figure a $10k system fitted to a truck with a PTO equipped trans), you can have nearly 30kW worth of power (hell round it up to 30, why not?). a vehicle specialized for charging is either going to need a huge battery bank to run off of a stock/dual alternator + battery pack seems silly again -burn fuel to charge battery, drain battery, convert to whatever power format the leaf/volt/tesla wants, charge battery, vs burn fuel, convert for transmission, charge battery.

but let them test it out - just hope they aren't foolish enough to do it to a gasoline burning truck. what a waste of energy. Now if they want to use an ultra capacitor or an FES (flywheel battery), that's another thing - cycling expensive Li-Ion batteries multiple times per day just seems dumb. my laptop battery was replaced a year ago, and it's only got 73 cycles on it since then. running multiple full (or even 20-80%) cycles per day seems to remove battery energy storage from the logical solution option.

then again if they want to throw 100kWh of battery on the back of a truck and trickle charge it off the vehicle's main alternator, why the hell not? let them try.

[Fusion]

What the hell does an RV have to do with any of this?

[u3b3rg33k]

What the hell does R3V have to do with any of this?

Don't worry about it. And I looked it up (I was wondering) - apparently 80% of circuit current is what's up for continuous loads. Intermittent draws are not limited as such.

[rwh11385]

General Motors Co. said it sold 1,760 plug-in hybrid Chevrolet Volt vehicles in June, double what it sold in June 2011.

In the first half of 2012, GM sold 8,817 Volts, more than triple the 2,745 it sold in the same period last year.

[...]

About 12 percent of Volts this year have been sold to commercial and government fleets.

[...]
GM has been sharply outselling its Japanese rival, the all-electric Nissan Leaf, by more than three-to-one - and again did so in June.

Meanwhile, the Leaf saw sales fall 69 percent in June to 535. For the first six months, Nissan has sold 3,418. That's down 19 percent over the same period in 2011.

And now on sale in the land down under as well:
http://www.news.com.au/national/hold...-1226414953564
Holden launches affordable Volt electric vehicle

And across the Pond: http://www.hybridcars.com/news/opel-...may-47571.html
Opel Ampera Europe's Number One Selling EV in May

“In the Netherlands, we were able to sell not only more Amperas than every other EV, but also more than every hybrid competitor,” he said.

In all, the Ampera took more than 77 percent of the passenger EV market share in May. In a statement, Opel noted this made the Ampera “the undisputed leader of its segment by a wide margin with all the other competitors only managing single figure percentages.”

“From January (the majority of deliveries and registrations began end of February) to May 2012, around 2,300 Opel/Vauxhall Amperas have been registered in total Europe,” said Rux, “which makes us the clear #1 selling electric passenger car in Europe and the numbers are continuously increasing, as there were in Jan-Mar 982, in April 499 and in May 803 registered Amperas.”

That's 11,000 worldwide thus far this year plus whatever got registered in June in Europe.

[Fusion]

Now let's see what happens when the fleet orders die out.

[dirtysix]

LOL at $60k being an 'affordable vehicle'.

Thats near on $70k here I can buy two Focuseseses for that price.

[joshh]

Apparently the Volt isn't about the smart financial decision. It's about the technology yo! Now pay up.

[rwh11385]

LOL at $60k being an 'affordable vehicle'.

Thats near on $70k here I can buy two Focuseseses for that price.

I can buy like a million E30s for that! OMG!!

How much does a comparable EV cost though (even without an ICE generator on-board)?

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor-news/48800-the-price-of-petrolfree-motoring-20110616-1g5fb.html

Mitsubishi i-MiEV = Used to be $63K and lease only, now $48,800 for an ugly piece of shit

A Nissan spokeswoman said a price range between $50,000 and $70,000 is likely.[for the Leaf]

BEV-only for 50-70K kangaroo dollars (and ugly / crappy too) vs. $60K for an extended range EV you can drive past a few dozen miles... no contest IMO.

[dirtysix]

Focus/Corolla/Mazda3 for $35k vs Volt for $70k. No contest IMO.

[rwh11385]

Focus/Corolla/Mazda3 for $35k vs Volt for $70k. No contest IMO.

You can do what you want. You could drive a pink VW bug. But that wouldn't really be relevant to the thread, would it?

[dirtysix]

And here I was thinking the original point of this thread might have had something to do with a perception the Volt may have been priced beyond what may have been considered an appropriate level.

Silly me.

[rwh11385]

And here I was thinking the original point of this thread might have had something to do with a perception the Volt may have been priced beyond what may have been considered an appropriate level.

Silly me.

Well, what price would you deem appropriate for a technologically advanced vehicle with luxury features that would largely eliminate the majority of people's need for gasoline?


You can get a new Versa [Renault Megane] here for $11K, but it's still a piece of shit entry-level Nissan. I guess it does have luxurious features like a stereo CD player, and brakes. It's half the price of a bore-fest Toyota Camry that is the top selling car in the world... does that mean because a car exists for half the price that the cost of a Camry is not appropriate? The same level of critical thinking you have demonstrated seems to lend itself that a Camry is a rip-off and no one would think it is a value.