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  • CorvallisBMW
    Long Schlong Longhammer
    • Feb 2005
    • 13039

    #1

    Consumption vs Investment

    I found this article to be very interesting. Zakaria put our current spending situation in terms I hadn't thought of before, and I think he's dead-on with his analysis.

    "We are talking about cutting the budget but not actually dealing with any of the major programs that are going to be the big drivers of cost – Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security. Meanwhile, we’re cutting everything else – all discretionary spending, which is infrastructure, education, air traffic control, NASA, scientific research. So if you think about it, what we’re doing as a country is continuing to subsidize consumption – which is pensions, healthcare, all of these kinds of things – and we’re doing it not just in the budget but through very low interest rates. We’re continuing to subsidize consumption while we’re starving investment. This is exactly the opposite of what produces long-term growth. There is very strong historical data that suggests the way societies grow is by making large, long-term investments. That’s how China is growing today. That’s how we grew for most of our history. That’s how Germany is growing today. It feels like in Washington, for political reasons, the only thing that people can agree on is to cut the investment part of the budget and no one dares touch the consumption part of the budget. The net effect is that we’re subsidizing consumption and starving investment, which is a recipe for failure."



  • nando
    Moderator
    • Nov 2003
    • 34827

    #2
    I just feel bad -- sorry for the cliche -- for the children who's future is being sacrificed (huge cuts to schools that were already starving for funds, among other things) so the baby boomer generation can sit on their asses for the next 30 years collecting checks from the government.
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    • tjts1
      E30 Mastermind
      • May 2007
      • 1851

      #3
      Well nothing fulfills tea party campaign promises like de-funding those elitist teachers and scientists. Who needs a quality education and basic research when everything you ever needed to know is in the Bible. Don't you know the world is going to end on 5/21/11?

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      • mkcman17
        R3V OG
        • Jul 2010
        • 8240

        #4
        I agree with funding education. of course, i'm a struggling college student. however, the teachers' union does not have the students' best interest in mind.

        on a related note, UC's raised tuition by a third while cutting my aid $6k annually. a lot of the big-salary profs and board members are demanding their scheduled increases, and it seems as though the students are paying the price. I got a call from the dean's office asking for donations last month, at which i kindly let them know that they're already getting every paycheck i earn.
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        • rwh11385
          lance_entities
          • Oct 2003
          • 18403

          #5
          It will really boggle American's minds when they learn how deep in the hole state and local governments are because of public employee pensions... California and Wisconsin are the tip of the iceberg. Decades of making promises that weren't sustainable is catching up with us. (Watch out for local and state bailouts) And it will only get worse as population stays alive longer with boomers retired and not enough workers to tax and pay the retired ones medical expenses and retirement benefits.

          But of course the solution was to make more unsustainable promises (Obamacare) instead of worry about social security or anything like that.

          It won't matter what we do in discretionary when mandatory (promised) spending exceeds revenue.

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          • joshh
            R3V OG
            • Aug 2004
            • 6195

            #6
            The cuts they are talking about are a joke. Not just what they are cutting but most importantly how much.

            Still reading the links...
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            • rwh11385
              lance_entities
              • Oct 2003
              • 18403

              #7
              After spending the time to fully read the article, Zakaria does a great job of assessing the current situation. He underlines good and bad aspects. He doesn't have a real bias besides educating readers and raising the true concern. He points blame at both parties, as well as emphasizes where we are going down the wrong path and where we are cutting our futures short.

              Downright surprised you can read and share something well-informed and not just stupid one-sided liberal BS like usual.

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              • z31maniac
                I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                • Dec 2007
                • 17566

                #8
                Great read.

                It is unfortunate that the extremists of both parties have taken over the debate to the point that no real progress can be made.

                Can Dems really stonewall on budget cuts when this month's deficit matches the entire year of 2007? Pretty mindblowing.
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                • CorvallisBMW
                  Long Schlong Longhammer
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 13039

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rwh11385

                  Downright surprised I can read and something well-informed and not just post some stupid one-sided conservative BS like usual.
                  Fixed that for ya champ.

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                  • rwh11385
                    lance_entities
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 18403

                    #10
                    Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
                    Fixed that for ya champ.
                    You must have confused me for other people. I actually read and draw conclusions on my own, not take someone else's viewpoint for my own. Try being educated, it helps.

                    Or are you going to keep posting incorrect statistics you made up about European countries and homicide rates because you're a hippie? It's not that hard to research for the hard numbers on your own.

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                    • CorvallisBMW
                      Long Schlong Longhammer
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 13039

                      #11
                      What do you have against hippies? Did you get raped by one as a child? That's your snide and pithy comeback to everything. "stupid pot-smoking hippy". It shows a severe lack of not just creativity but of ability to form a coherent and relative response.

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                      • CorvallisBMW
                        Long Schlong Longhammer
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 13039

                        #12
                        Originally posted by nando
                        I just feel bad -- sorry for the cliche -- for the children who's future is being sacrificed (huge cuts to schools that were already starving for funds, among other things) so the baby boomer generation can sit on their asses for the next 30 years collecting checks from the government.
                        Very true. SS was developed to alleviate senior poverty, not to be every elderly Americans retirement account.

                        Originally posted by tjts1
                        Well nothing fulfills tea party campaign promises like de-funding those elitist teachers and scientists. Who needs a quality education and basic research when everything you ever needed to know is in the Bible. Don't you know the world is going to end on 5/21/11?
                        Why bother taking care of the environment when Jesus is probably coming within my lifetime to end the world? "Fully 58% of white evangelical Christians say Jesus Christ will definitely or probably return to earth in this (40 year) time period"

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                        • rwh11385
                          lance_entities
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 18403

                          #13
                          So that's a confirmation that you're an uneducated hippie?

                          I prefer discussion or argumentation with people who stay informed, rather than just talk about what feels / seems "right" even if it is based on their false assumptions or misunderstandings. I don't think it is too incredibly much to ask if people want to talk economics or other subjects to have some logic and reasoning skills, or the ability to research. But that might be too much for you, or many Americuns these days. Just because you're lazy doesn't mean anyone with an opinion is.

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                          • CorvallisBMW
                            Long Schlong Longhammer
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 13039

                            #14
                            Oh that's right, how could I forget... Anyone who disagrees with Heeter is an uneducated, pot-smoking hippie; because he knows everything about everything and is always right. Silly me.

                            /sarcasm

                            Funny how after complimenting the post I made and agreeing with what was said therein, you still feel insecure enough about yourself to warrant a childish and pathetic poke at me. I would have thought you more mature than that, seeing as how you always proclaim yourself to be so much better than the rest of us.

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                            • CorvallisBMW
                              Long Schlong Longhammer
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 13039

                              #15
                              Back OT:

                              Rand Paul was on the Daily Show last night and had a very thought-provoking statistic: Even if we were to eliminate every single $ of discretionary, non-defense spending we would still have a huge budget deficit. The budget literally cannot be balanced by making the cuts that both sides are currently proposing. He also pointed out that military spending has doubled since 2001, we now spend more than every other nation in the world combined each year. If we could reduce our spending levels to those of 1999, the last year Clinton was in office (and the last time to had a balanced budget), we would have a balanced budget again today.

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