9 things the rich don't want you to know

[z31maniac]

Bravo sir.
Governments are elected by the people for the people.
Not faceless corporations/business interests or even minority social agenda groups.

Democracy.

Are you really arguing that special interest money, and it's effect on a candidate's ability to campaign and buy ad time, doesn't have an impact on the elections?

[dirtysix]

Are you really arguing that special interest money, and it's effect on a candidate's ability to campaign and buy ad time, doesn't have an impact on the elections?

Not sure if serious?
But no, quite the opposite. Special interest money/overly powerfull lobby groups etc are an attack on democracy.
It's the governments responsibility to reflect the opinion, concerns and aspirations of the majority whilst protecting the rights of minorities, not promote those of special interest groups.

[mrsleeve]

this (unnecessarily capitalized) statement perplexes me. i cannot see how a completely unrestrained economy could be considered a system. advocating the lack of laws, guidelines, regulations, tax brackets, and, ultimately, government, is advocating economic anarchy.

Well lest see here, Subsides, Taxes, Regulation, Nearly countless alphabet agencies to to administer layer upon layer of red tape. All nothing but huger amounts of Bureaucratic bullshit.

How about the last 2 days, S&P lowers our AAA ratting from stable to negative and the stock market dont react only fall a little bit then rally. Dose that not seem odd to you?????

Look no further than health care, govt gets involved with paying for it, and giving out tax dollars to fund hospitals. For a facility to be eligible for govt grants and loans for what ever reason they have to accept the MEDI patients. The thing is the govt says they will only pay xxx for a given treatment which in many cases is LESS than it actually costs to do it. Well those costs have to made up somewhere so it goes on the back of the retail customer and the evil insurance providers. Also look at the flow chart for 0-care.

Fannie/Freddie and the CRA, pushing up housing and forcing banks to lend to sub primes by law, then saying go forth and do what ever we will back you up. There by taking all the risk outta it for the banks HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NOT MEDDLING??????

Farmers are tilling under cereal and bread grain ground for CORN to make Ethanol. Really do I need to connect those dots for you. We will be using as much corn this year to make that shit as we will too feed our live stock. All thanks to a subside.

Need I continue, the IRS and the EPA have grown well beyond their intended purpose and are now the primary weapons of the govt to keep both citizenry and business in line.

Really should I continue on ????? The examples are endless.

what century do you live in? i think you would be better served in the age of the 19th century industrial megamonopoly. you know, the same era as sweatshops, the triangle co. fire disaster, 10c/day wages, minimal taxation, and no distribution of wealth. an era without GOVT MEDDLING IN THE SYSTEM.

Ummm the same one you do. basic economics has not changed in the last 1000 years.

Also most of those issues were fixed with long before the govt got involved with it (other than in the case of nation wide monopolies ) Thats why we had the union movement and much of what you are bitching about its why they are still important today. But thats a different thread. Yes the union movement was a FREE MARKET SOLUTION TO A FREE MARKET PROBLEM.

the biggest problem is the disconnect between we the people and they the government. the government does not listen to, does not care for, and is not comprised of representatives of the majority. instead we are blinded by ideology, which is funded by the minority. fundamentally, though, we are the government, and starving the government is starving the people. no resources for the government, no resources for us. the government falls, we fall.

No arguments with the 1st part. But the govt is not supposed to involved with all the shit is. The intestate commerce clause is being perverted to fullest to justify all this market intervention and the EPA and god knows how many other agencies are really not supposed to be around.

Govt is one thing and one thing only a PARASITE on society, a necessary parasite yes and this is why our founder left us with the tools to keep it in check. Too bad over the course of history we have become complacent and we are where we are today.

but hey, this is america. tough break, kid! better luck in your next lifetime. oh wait, thats far too cosmopolitan of an idea, ya stinky commie lib.

Ummm We are all GUARANTEED A EQUAL OPPORTUNITY to make something of ourselves . NOT EQUAL RESULTS, just because you or your family are content with your pay and lives, thats your choice to make. You can all make the choice to move or do what is necessary to make the most of it. BUT dont for one instant tell me because I am willing to do what is needed and make sacrifices in my life to make my way in life, that the govt should take more of that wealth from me and give it to you or someone else that is unwilling to do the same. The opportunity is there, you just have to be willing to do what is needed to take it.

[dirtysix]

Well lest see here, Subsides, Taxes, Regulation, Nearly countless alphabet agencies to to administer layer upon layer of red tape. All nothing but huger amounts of Bureaucratic bullshit......

It has to said that you guys have some profoundly absurd regulations and ridiculous subsidies and tariffs in place.

Open your markets you bastids.:p what are ya? afraid of real competition or something?

[Kershaw]

http://front.moveon.org/d-which-corporations-are-the-biggest-freeloaders/?rc=recirctest

i thought this was relevant to this thread.

[herbivor]

Govt is one thing and one thing only a PARASITE on society...

It's these kind of crazy rants that make me wonder how many people are being brainwashed by the Glen Becks of the world versus reading educational books, traveling, and interacting with other societies of the world to gain a broader perspective how other societies work in comparison to our own. I find, most people I have met with very individualistic viewpoints tend to limit their interaction with diverse groups or places. I think a little exposure to how different people and cultures live and interact with their government and resources may change your viewpoint, not to one that is necessarily "liberal" but to one that is more pragmatic.

[Kershaw]

its our society... the us of a is crazy about individualism. so many people cant see how we all really rely on each other to do our part.

"im not gonna support that! that doesnt affect me at all! i dont care if its right or wrong. its not my problem!"

[CorvallisBMW]

"im not gonna support that! that doesnt affect me at all! i dont care if its right or wrong. its not my problem!"

THIS is the downfall of society, not government.

[Ryan Stewart]

its our society... the us of a is crazy about individualism. so many people cant see how we all really rely on each other to do our part.

"im not gonna support that! that doesnt affect me at all! i dont care if its right or wrong. its not my problem!"

Except that statement is ignorant and counterproductive in its own right. Hell, I would bet that the vast majority of the people in here arguing for not raising taxes on those who pay probably aren't in the 250k+ bracket, its just that we have a different view on how we interact with each other than you.

[Ryan Stewart]

http://front.moveon.org/d-which-corp...?rc=recirctest

i thought this was relevant to this thread.

I would like to see some clarification on a few things. Namely the comment that BofA is receiving a 1.9 billion refund. To me that means they got a refund on the taxes paid, which means they paid taxes. It doesn't go to state what their original taxes paid were since they pay them throughout the year.

The rest of them get the benefit of offshoring much of their income as to not incur taxes in the US. They get a credit on taxes paid to foreign govts just like how GA gives me a credit on taxes paid in KS.

[mrsleeve]

http://front.moveon.org/d-which-corp...?rc=recirctest

i thought this was relevant to this thread.

really you are going to post something from moveon.org.

Way too much George Soros money in that to be any kind of credible

try something else Not funded by the killer of nations

[CorvallisBMW]

really you are going to post something from moveon.org.

Way too much George Soros money in that to be any kind of credible

try something else Not funded by the killer of nations

As the one who brought up the challenge, it's your responsibility to prove those numbers wrong. Not his.

[mrsleeve]

As the one who brought up the challenge, it's your responsibility to prove those numbers wrong. Not his.

I see. I dont give 2 shits about the number in this case.

When the killer of nations (you know the guy who Destroyed the British Pound sterling, and brought down a couple of economies in Asia) I dont even have to look at the link to know its bogus and serving his agenda when that organization get the bulk of its funding from this man.

[kronus]

ad hominem

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^

How you figure that. Do about 2 mins of research, on Soros and you will see I am on the money. and then look to see who he and his organizations fund. But I suppose you would be all for his goals for the world wouldn't you???