Chump for President

[marshallnoise]

Disagree, in the largest industries (and most crucial) there are a limited number of companies. And worse they are colluding with each other so as to not have to compete. I don't specifically disagree on the fucking over the poor aspect, the corporations are out to fuck EVERYONE. There are just a whole lot more poor people so it looks like they are being specifically targeted.

So when it comes to public utilities, they are practically government entities and they have monopolies on everything they touch. Health Insurance on the other hand, there are thousands of providers out there. Yes, they do their best to remove competition. The biggest players stomp out smaller competitors by welcoming regulation that the smaller competitors cannot afford to deal with. More government is not the solution and it never will be.

Wholeheartedly agree. I was hoping Trump would follow through on anti-lobbying campaign promises... but it seems that was empty, as were most of his positions we are learning. But the lion's share of the problem started with the Republicans and Citizen's United. What a joke of a title for an organization and an equally damaging joke of a decision in the Judicial branch of government. Just goes to show you the only "check" our checks and balances systems are doing is checking on their bank account balances.

See, I don't understand how within 118 days you can come to any conclusion. The only thing we can conclude is that bureaucrats, republicans and democrats hate him and are doing everything they can to sabotage his plans.

And blaming republicans and Citizen's United just shows us when you first started paying attention to things. This practice of the government picking winners and losers for their own sake as been around since the dawn of man.

[Schnitzer318is]

So when it comes to public utilities, they are practically government entities and they have monopolies on everything they touch. Health Insurance on the other hand, there are thousands of providers out there. Yes, they do their best to remove competition. The biggest players stomp out smaller competitors by welcoming regulation that the smaller competitors cannot afford to deal with. More government is not the solution and it never will be.

Agree with you on public utilities being a monopoly. But the telecoms are no different... and they are private. We disagree that regulation is necessary to curb the appetites of the greedy. Greed, has also been around since the dawn of man.

See, I don't understand how within 118 days you can come to any conclusion. The only thing we can conclude is that bureaucrats, republicans and democrats hate him and are doing everything they can to sabotage his plans.

And blaming republicans and Citizen's United just shows us when you first started paying attention to things. This practice of the government picking winners and losers for their own sake as been around since the dawn of man.

118 days is a long time. It's 8% of a 4 year term. As an "outsider, shake things up" type of politician... I'd expect him to hit the ground running a little harder. He has caused far too many news stories and not enough action towards enacting policy. And if you think that is all contrived by the left you are just as blind as they are.

Here's the problem with politics in this country (aside from the $$$ in it), and this section of r3v is a microcosm of it: too many people are either 100% left, or 100% right. People have to realize it takes a combination of views and opinions to get to a solution to any problem, and that includes governing. There are far too few moderate democrats and moderate republicans. They are ALL scared to go against party lines because CU guaranteed they will lose huge amounts of campaign funding.

[marshallnoise]

Agree with you on public utilities being a monopoly. But the telecoms are no different... and they are private. We disagree that regulation is necessary to curb the appetites of the greedy. Greed, has also been around since the dawn of man.



118 days is a long time. It's 8% of a 4 year term. As an "outsider, shake things up" type of politician... I'd expect him to hit the ground running a little harder. He has caused far too many news stories and not enough action towards enacting policy. And if you think that is all contrived by the left you are just as blind as they are.

Here's the problem with politics in this country (aside from the $$$ in it), and this section of r3v is a microcosm of it: too many people are either 100% left, or 100% right. People have to realize it takes a combination of views and opinions to get to a solution to any problem, and that includes governing. There are far too few moderate democrats and moderate republicans. They are ALL scared to go against party lines because CU guaranteed they will lose huge amounts of campaign funding.

Trump is not a king. He cannot push his agenda through if he is met with resistance from the establishment structure already in place. He can't control leaks and he can't force people to do what he directs. I think this is a Mr. Smith Goes to Washington scenario.

I don't think you can be moderately socialist or moderately capitalist. These things do not work unless you are for one and not for another. If fear is motivating sticking to a "commonly accepted world view", then that's not right. But seeing one side as antithetical to your world view then sticking to your guns is the only solution.

This is a war in my eyes. Either my side wins and therefore liberty wins or my side loses and tyranny reigns in the hands of the few.

[Wschnitz]

Here we are back with the first 100 days doesn't matter line.

Why did it matter so much on the campaign trail?

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf

Im going to keep posting this failure of a 'contract' until someone actually gets it.

[Schnitzer318is]

Trump is not a king. He cannot push his agenda through if he is met with resistance from the establishment structure already in place. He can't control leaks and he can't force people to do what he directs. I think this is a Mr. Smith Goes to Washington scenario.

He could be working towards legislation instead of acting like a despot. If you are facing opposition to your policies, that's one thing. If you are actively contributing ammunition to your opposition... that's another.

I hoped he would do well in office even though I didn't support him. I would not root against a president to fail as it means the country is moving backwards. But both sides of the aisle are guilty of actively rooting against the other... bunch of children.

I don't think you can be moderately socialist or moderately capitalist. These things do not work unless you are for one and not for another. If fear is motivating sticking to a "commonly accepted world view", then that's not right. But seeing one side as antithetical to your world view then sticking to your guns is the only solution.

This is a war in my eyes. Either my side wins and therefore liberty wins or my side loses and tyranny reigns in the hands of the few.

Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. There are equally stubborn people on the left side of the aisle. All of you are going to continue to contribute to the downfall of America. We are on borrowed time anyway as far as democracies (or republics) go so maybe it's no surprise these rifts are developing.

[marshallnoise]

He could be working towards legislation instead of acting like a despot. If you are facing opposition to your policies, that's one thing. If you are actively contributing ammunition to your opposition... that's another.

I hoped he would do well in office even though I didn't support him. I would not root against a president to fail as it means the country is moving backwards. But both sides of the aisle are guilty of actively rooting against the other... bunch of children.



Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. There are equally stubborn people on the left side of the aisle. All of you are going to continue to contribute to the downfall of America. We are on borrowed time anyway as far as democracies (or republics) go so maybe it's no surprise these rifts are developing.

Well that's the thing. You either want a republic, or you don't. Sounds like you don't care much about it and would rather do away with it in the name of some type of harmony. Fuck that harmony. That harmony is actually tyranny and the destruction of liberty. I would hate to think that the world's capability peaked in 1791.

[marshallnoise]

Here we are back with the first 100 days doesn't matter line.

Why did it matter so much on the campaign trail?

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf

Im going to keep posting this failure of a 'contract' until someone actually gets it.

It didn't matter. I doubt you can find one person on this forum or anywhere really who said they would vote for DJT because of what he said he would do within 100 days.

You are quite literally making a point no one else is making...because its dumb.

[Wschnitz]

Got it Marshall, nothing the President says or promises matters. Thought I already knew that though.

[marshallnoise]

Got it Marshall, nothing the President says or promises matters. Thought I already knew that though.

Your selective enforcement is what is so strange nevermind if any of his 100 day goals were realistic in the first place. No convincing you either way but it's just interesting.

[Schnitzer318is]

Well that's the thing. You either want a republic, or you don't. Sounds like you don't care much about it and would rather do away with it in the name of some type of harmony. Fuck that harmony. That harmony is actually tyranny and the destruction of liberty. I would hate to think that the world's capability peaked in 1791.

We have completely different core values.

In much the same way you can't have a discussion involving intelligent positions and reason with a fundamentalist, getting you to see the world through anyone else's eyes is going to be an impossible task. The state of our country changes, evolves, devolves, and our government has to do so with it. To take one way of thought, and believe that it holds the correct solution in all aspects of government, is short-sighted, closed-minded, and plain childish.

Not sure what sort of "harmony" you think I am aiming for... but I want a government that works of the people, by the people, and for the people. We aren't going to get that through Donald J. Trump, or Citizens United, even if he does manage to pull his head out of his ass. He is not there for us. And I use "us" meaning Americans... all of us, poor, rich, black, white, and everything in between.

[Dagamus(NM)]

Well that's the thing. You either want a republic, or you don't. Sounds like you don't care much about it and would rather do away with it in the name of some type of harmony. Fuck that harmony. That harmony is actually tyranny and the destruction of liberty. I would hate to think that the world's capability peaked in 1791.

Yeah real liberty in 1791. The liberty to own slaves and beat your wife. Liberty for who exactly?

[mrsleeve]

Very tired argument, lacking historical context and viewed though the optics of 20/20 hindsight and modern ethos make for a very poor argument

[Dagamus(NM)]

Very tired argument, lacking historical context and viewed though the optics of 20/20 hindsight and modern ethos make for a very poor argument

So you are agreeing that America has been on the decline since two years into George Washington's presidency?

It is a perfectly valid argument. There are plenty of things that are acceptable today that will appear primitive regarding thought and social acceptance in 20, 50, 100 years. Yes the ideals were revolutionary at the time and have lead us to where we are today. Times change and we move forward, despite those that have to go kicking and screaming.

[marshallnoise]

https://www.billofrightsinstitute.org/founding-documents/bill-of-rights/

Those should be heralded as the gold standard by which every government is judged by. They were adopted in 1791 BTW. They will never be considered primitive and if they are, its because a primitive person is deeming it so.

[BraveUlysses]

yup you really need hindsight to reach the conclusion that slavery is abhorrent