Chump for President

[decay]

God its such a fucking joke that some of you think this is normal changes in climate.

When the planet was "warming up, and cooling down" thousands (in reality hundreds of thousands to millions) of years ago it wasn't doing it in a fucking century, at the extreme rates its happening at now.

I cant wait for the outrage as many more millions of refugees from the middle east and tropics run to our northern and southern homes to escape massive temperature increases caused by ignoring the signs.

if you're looking for a book to read in your spare time, i suggest The Drowned World by J. G. Ballard.

[marshallnoise]

if you're looking for a book to read in your spare time, i suggest The Drowned World by J. G. Ballard.

Or watch Costner's Water World.

[mrsleeve]

My line of work services the oil business, and that's where the cash is, so that's where my niche is. I have worked on bridges, water towers, over the road trucks, parts for the navy from nuke boats to experimental development systems for carriers, brewery tanks and a few other odds and ends.

Now that said, just because I work in the energy sector does not mean i cant objectively look at something. This is the very mindset that the settled science types are accused of, creating results and interpreting data in a way that gets them more funding so they continue to have a job. Mucj of my current livelihood is 1 or 2 battery/entry storage tech break through's away from being left in obscurity. I come from a long line of pragmatic analytical people, just because I think there is far moremoved to the equation than what pop culture ha's made popular, does not mean I am playing favorites. I thought this same thing in the 90s when still in high school when the human induced g/w was startan to be pushed heavily.

[BraveUlysses]

This is a very very false stament that is not even backed up by most of the "settled science" types. In fact there is plenty of Ice core data that predates modern "humans" that show climate can radically shift in a fucking decade let alone centuries

I asked this before and you didn't answer: how do you decide which parts of the climate science are worth believing to be true and which are not? Why ice cores and not other sources?

[Wschnitz]

Because some people hold onto the idea that there is nothing wrong or god will fix it, till their dying breath.

[marshallnoise]

I asked this before and you didn't answer: how do you decide which parts of the climate science are worth believing to be true and which are not? Why ice cores and not other sources?

The ones that don't rely on manipulated data thrown into a computer program to generate a canned output. Ice cores are the only reliable science that determine what happened to the climate over millennia. Even then, it can only relate the effects of climate changes or catastrophic events. Everything else doesn't have the sample size to determine a trend of anything.

What I don't understand is that you don't give weight to ice cores yet you probably believe that dinosaurs exist because you have seen the fossils. People who poo poo ice core samples should also be denying that fossils are enough to determine that dinosaurs roamed the earth.

;D

[gwb72tii]

I asked this before and you didn't answer: how do you decide which parts of the climate science are worth believing to be true and which are not? Why ice cores and not other sources?

as you know all we can do is read the pro's and con's from people who are experts in climate science.

and if you actually do that you'll find there is no consensus, actual world climate data is not following the climate models, there is no doom and gloom, life on our little rock in space would be better with higher levels of CO2 and another 2* of warming. oh, and there is no human fingerprint any scientist can identify to actually prove AGW. but there are models which don't predict anything accurately.

[2mAn]

Can I move this in a different direction? I am curious what you guys think of the people Trump will be putting in his cabinet

potstir

[Wschnitz]

Can I move this in a different direction? I am curious what you guys think of the people Trump will be putting in his cabinet

"emptying" the swamp only to refill it.

[marshallnoise]

"emptying" the swamp only to refill it.

With no proof of this claim.

[MrBurgundy]

[Wschnitz]

Are you guys blind and deaf? He said he wanted to "drain the swamp" Then literally fills it back up with the same Washington Insiders, just flying under a different party.

[MrBurgundy]

Yeah, the swamp is still going to be swampy..

[marshallnoise]

Are you guys blind and deaf? He said he wanted to "drain the swamp" Then literally fills it back up with the same Washington Insiders, just flying under a different party.

Trump himself is not an insider, neither it Bannon, neither is Prebius either (who went rogue in supporting Trump).

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/trump-introduces-unprecedented-5-year-lobbying-ban.html

He removed Christie off the transition team because he was recommending people who were insiders.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/pence-removes-lobbyists-trump-transition-team-controversial-names-remain-n684836

Are you unable to read anything other than Mother Jones?

[2mAn]

So you dont think Christie or Juliani will end up in the cabinet?

and is Bannon really someone you want to have that much power? yikes...