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The ammendment to the original law in 1965 basically said the US should not discriminate based on country of origin, their nationality, or religion.
So said President Lyndon Johnson at the signing of the Hart-Celler Immigration Bill thirty years ago next month, on Oct. 3, 1965. The legislation, which phased out the national origins quota system first instituted in 1921, created the foundation of today's immigration law. And, contrary to the president's assertions, it inaugurated a new era of mass immigration which has affected the lives of millions.
Despite modifications, the framework established by the 1965 act remains intact today. And, while the reform proposals now being discussed in Congress, the administration, and the Commission on Immigration Reform would reduce the total number of legal immigrants, they would maintain the fundamentals of the 1965 act — family reunification and employment preferences. So it behooves us on this 30th anniversary to look at the act and the expectations its sponsors had for it.
Under the old system, admission largely depended upon an immigrant's country of birth. Seventy percent of all immigrant slots were allotted to natives of just three countries — United Kingdom, Ireland and Germany — and went mostly unused, while there were long waiting lists for the small number of visas available to those born in Italy, Greece, Poland, Portugal, and elsewhere in eastern and southern Europe.
The new system eliminated the various nationality criteria, supposedly putting people of all nations on an equal footing for immigration to the United States. The new legislation (P.L. 89 236; 79 Stat. 911; technically, amendments to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952) substituted a system based primarily on family reunification and needed skills.
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Law makers and judges find it odd that Trump is using the pre-amendment law to support his argument for banning those countries. Thats the whole argument from that point.1989 BMW 325is | 2019 Ford Ranger FX4willschnitz
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Originally posted by Wschnitz View PostThe ammendment to the original law in 1965 basically said the US should not discriminate based on country of origin, their nationality, or religion.
So said President Lyndon Johnson at the signing of the Hart-Celler Immigration Bill thirty years ago next month, on Oct. 3, 1965. The legislation, which phased out the national origins quota system first instituted in 1921, created the foundation of today's immigration law. And, contrary to the president's assertions, it inaugurated a new era of mass immigration which has affected the lives of millions.
Despite modifications, the framework established by the 1965 act remains intact today. And, while the reform proposals now being discussed in Congress, the administration, and the Commission on Immigration Reform would reduce the total number of legal immigrants, they would maintain the fundamentals of the 1965 act — family reunification and employment preferences. So it behooves us on this 30th anniversary to look at the act and the expectations its sponsors had for it.
Under the old system, admission largely depended upon an immigrant's country of birth. Seventy percent of all immigrant slots were allotted to natives of just three countries — United Kingdom, Ireland and Germany — and went mostly unused, while there were long waiting lists for the small number of visas available to those born in Italy, Greece, Poland, Portugal, and elsewhere in eastern and southern Europe.
The new system eliminated the various nationality criteria, supposedly putting people of all nations on an equal footing for immigration to the United States. The new legislation (P.L. 89 236; 79 Stat. 911; technically, amendments to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952) substituted a system based primarily on family reunification and needed skills.
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Law makers and judges find it odd that Trump is using the pre-amendment law to support his argument for banning those countries. Thats the whole argument from that point.
Apparently, Trump isn't allowed to use the law because detractors fear he will outright ban all Muslims. Despite their fears and concerns, those fears and concerns have no bearing on the legality of his actions. Just looking at the 7 countries, everyone from those countries are banned unless there are extreme cases of religious persecution. If it was a Muslim ban, then its a shitty way to start it out as only 13% of the world's Muslims would be temporarily banned.
This is not directed at you Schnitz:
This whole thing is a fucking joke and it is really, really starting to piss people off. The whole premise that we have to allow everyone in, no matter what, is a concoction of the left. It is not based in any sort of reality nor is it even remotely wise. No other country on the planet allows people across their borders just willy nilly. Yet this is what the left demands of our nation. Its fucking disgusting and perverse.Last edited by marshallnoise; 02-09-2017, 08:41 PM.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostNo other country on the planet allows people across their borders just willy nilly. Yet this is what the left demands of our nation. Its fucking disgusting and perverse.
This situation has a lot of similarities to the 'Guilded Age'. In which immigrants flocked to the US in mass and received similar discrimination.
I honestly don't get the obsession people have with race, immigration, borders, and nationalities.1989 BMW 325is | 2019 Ford Ranger FX4willschnitz
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And the three judges clearly mentioned that Trump's lawyer was NOT unable to prove any detriment emigrants could cause... 3-0Brake harder. Go faster. No shit.
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Originally posted by Massive Lee View PostAnd the three judges clearly mentioned that Trump's lawyer was NOT unable to prove any detriment emigrants could cause... 3-0
The whole point of this exercise is that he doesn't have to have any reason other than he said so.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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I just think some people are feeding of trumps Xenophobia, his ideas that America should be for 'Ideal Americans'.
Dont worry fam he will just keep pumping out new Executive Orders to get his way. Not like he criticized Obama heavily for that same thing.1989 BMW 325is | 2019 Ford Ranger FX4willschnitz
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Originally posted by Wschnitz View PostI don't think we allow them to cross willy nilly? If you are talking about legally, Europe has pretty much open borders if you are an EU citizen. If Illegally, you need to really look into the numbers, they are not climbing, they are falling.
This situation has a lot of similarities to the 'Guilded Age'. In which immigrants flocked to the US in mass and received similar discrimination.
I honestly don't get the obsession people have with race, immigration, borders, and nationalities.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Originally posted by Wschnitz View PostI just think some people are feeding of trumps Xenophobia, his ideas that America should be for 'Ideal Americans'.
Dont worry fam he will just keep pumping out new Executive Orders to get his way. Not like he criticized Obama heavily for that same thing.
I don't think you know what Xenophobia is or how to apply it.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostDude, pumping out an executive order stating what he is legally allowed to do. Why can't you see that? The executive branch enforces laws. He is the sheriff of the USA. He isn't legislating.
I don't think you know what Xenophobia is or how to apply it.
the 9th circuit's decision is a beautiful example of how democracy is supposed to work, and do you really want drumpf to be your sheriff? i mean for fuck's sake, his response was to go all-caps-tantrum on twitter about it.past:
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Originally posted by decay View Posti don't think *you* understand what the founders intended when they created a system designed around a distributed balance of power, because it really does sound like you're arguing for his right to be a despot here. you should probably change that avatar you're rockin', bud; you are ignorant of what it really means.
the 9th circuit's decision is a beautiful example of how democracy is supposed to work, and do you really want drumpf to be your sheriff? i mean for fuck's sake, his response was to go all-caps-tantrum on twitter about it.
Instead, what you view as a wonderful example of democracy, is pure tyranny of the courts. If the EO banned Muslims specifically, then they would have basis for stopping it. But it didn't.
And, again, you cucks ignore all of the other times it has been used just because you are petty and don't like Trump. Of course, you were ignorant of when Bush used it otherwise you would have spilled your Cheerios then too.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Originally posted by Massive Lee View PostAnd the three judges clearly mentioned that Trump's lawyer was NOT unable to prove any detriment emigrants could cause... 3-0
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostAnd, again, you cucks ignore all of the other times it has been used just because you are petty and don't like Trump. Of course, you were ignorant of when Bush used it otherwise you would have spilled your Cheerios then too.
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostAnd, again, you cuckspast:
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