Why do Americans still dislike Atheists?

[KenC]

I like it. It's based on what I believe to be some false assumptions, but I like it.

Faith is not in opposition to Logic, and I've never understood why people on both sides of the these camps insist that it is. Same goes for the perhaps more common "Faith vs Science". I prefer logic though, since Faith usually deals in things that can't be proved. But we invoke faith all the time, we choose to believe things we can't prove. We choose to believe that our friend will pick us up at some time in the future, like they said they would. Sometimes even even invoke faith when prior experience (or logic) dictates that the chances are really quite slim that that girl you just met actually will call you like she said she would.

Logic and science can neither definitively prove NOR disprove the existence of God. This puts it in the realm of Faith. One can gather evidence for or against, but that God will never be proved has never been a good argument for or against God, since we take many MANY things on faith alone, even things we hear have been proved, we take it on faith that we have been told the truth.

As per my earlier post, I tend to doubt things that don't make sense, rather than things that just can't be proved. Intelligent design just makes too much sense to me right now, and I haven't found a compelling argument that demonstrates how it doesn't make sense. That, btw, is an invitation ;-)

The science vs religion argument is one that Stephen J Gould (famed late biologist) wrote a great deal on. As long as religion heeds to science, there is no conflict.

Intelligent Design is another grasp by faith to remain relevant as its scope slowly dwindles.

[CorvallisBMW]

Who said that? I didn't say that. Your's and Kershaw's blatant, reckless meanderings on how "enlightened" people would be if they lost Religion (faith, etc) is outright laughable and frankly, startling. You can have a hard on for Religious types, go ahead. BUT, keep in mind the same bullshit you just spouted is the same thing they've been doing and exactly what gave them a bad name in the first place.

Now the middle section? Great. Fantastic. Agreed. What is your issue over all then? I'm missing it.

Honestly, if you want to have an intelligent conversation, let's do it. If you want to sit back and make childish, "I'm too cool" remarks? Meh. You're just another douche bag with nothing to prove except how much of a douche bag he can be.

For our next show, Turf's awesome-ness and his over enlightenment catch up to him!

Jeez dude, chill out. Blatant? Reckless? Startling? If the idea that not everyone believes in ancient fairytales strikes those kinds of emotions in you, may I suggest you take some Midol.

[CorvallisBMW]

i really dont see any difference between ancient greek mythology, norse mythology, and christianity. they're all outdated creation myths. we know better now.

Intelligent Design is another grasp by faith to remain relevant as its scope slowly dwindles.

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[Sagaris]

So what happens if you guys are wrong, you die, and you face God's judgement. What would you do then? Just wondering if you have a backup plan.

[ck_taft325is]

i've been feeling like a troll the past few days. cant help it. :D

it's also really difficult to have any meaningful conversation on religion between us. because i think your beliefs in ancient myths is laughable. and you think my lack of believing in ancient myths is laughable. we are at an impasse. one im happy to let you keep believing in, too. it's entertaining.

i really dont see any difference between ancient greek mythology, norse mythology, and christianity. they're all outdated creation myths. we know better now.

Actually, I don't think they are laughable. That's what I'm getting at. But... ah fuck it. What's the point right? We're two equal human beings (in my eyes) that can't have a conversation apparently.

[ck_taft325is]

Jeez dude, chill out. Blatant? Reckless? Startling? If the idea that not everyone believes in ancient fairytales strikes those kinds of emotions in you, may I suggest you take some Midol.

You missed the point. Man, you're ignorant. Not because of my beliefs and you not sharing them. I don't really much care, truly, I don't. It's your take on all of it that's the above mentioned. You should check that.

[ck_taft325is]

So what happens if you guys are wrong, you die, and you face God's judgement. What would you do then? Just wondering if you have a backup plan.

No point in that question. Really.

[Kershaw]

So what happens if you guys are wrong, you die, and you face God's judgement. What would you do then? Just wondering if you have a backup plan.

oh fuck yes.

im gonna tell satan to his face, "i dont regret my beliefs at all, it was totally worth seeing ck_taft325is' reaction in that one thread on r3vlimited."

but why are so hung up on christianity? why not ancient greece's afterlife? or norse? or hindu? i mean, hey... what if WE'RE BOTH WRONG!? and hinduism is right? huh? what if you get reincarnated as a moth? :)

[Sagaris]

oh fuck yes.

im gonna tell satan to his face, "i dont regret my beliefs at all, it was totally worth seeing ck_taft325is' reaction in that one thread on r3vlimited."

thats funny! (not a mocking laugh, but a genuine LOL)

Being reincarnated as a moth would lead me straight toward a bright light only to be brought back yet again as a fungus growing on the tire of an e30. If that is the case, then I guess I am prepared for that, so long as it's not a bronzit 325e.

[Farbin Kaiber]

^ That would then be roasted again in a single tire fire on the non-LSD eta you happend upon.

[CorvallisBMW]

So what happens if you guys are wrong, you die, and you face God's judgement. What would you do then? Just wondering if you have a backup plan.

Do you think God cares more about what kind of life you lived (i.e. wholesome, meaningful, helpful to others, etc) or about whether you have someone else's predetermined definition of "faith"?

(and yes, all forms of christianity are not your faith, it's based on what someone else told you you should believe in. The only faith that is truly yours would be a religion you developed yourself)

oh fuck yes.

im gonna tell satan to his face, "i dont regret my beliefs at all, it was totally worth seeing ck_taft325is' reaction in that one thread on r3vlimited."

"ya, but look at all the work I got done on my e30 since I didn't have to go to church every f**king sunday!"

[Kershaw]

"ya, but look at all the work I got done on my e30 since I didn't have to go to church every f**king sunday!"

win. sig'd.

[z31maniac]

I like it. It's based on what I believe to be some false assumptions, but I like it.

Faith is not in opposition to Logic, and I've never understood why people on both sides of the these camps insist that it is. Same goes for the perhaps more common "Faith vs Science". I prefer logic though, since Faith usually deals in things that can't be proved. But we invoke faith all the time, we choose to believe things we can't prove. We choose to believe that our friend will pick us up at some time in the future, like they said they would. Sometimes even even invoke faith when prior experience (or logic) dictates that the chances are really quite slim that that girl you just met actually will call you like she said she would.

Logic and science can neither definitively prove NOR disprove the existence of God. This puts it in the realm of Faith. One can gather evidence for or against, but that God will never be proved has never been a good argument for or against God, since we take many MANY things on faith alone, even things we hear have been proved, we take it on faith that we have been told the truth.

As per my earlier post, I tend to doubt things that don't make sense, rather than things that just can't be proved. Intelligent design just makes too much sense to me right now, and I haven't found a compelling argument that demonstrates how it doesn't make sense. That, btw, is an invitation ;-)

Just for the record, you are seriously mistaken if you think any of what you said constitutes the use of "logic."

It also looks like you are trying to stray down the path of, "We take on faith that the scientists are telling us the truth about the world" or some other such nonsense.

Correct me if I'm wrong. ;)

[ck_taft325is]

oh fuck yes.

im gonna tell satan to his face, "i dont regret my beliefs at all, it was totally worth seeing ck_taft325is' reaction in that one thread on r3vlimited."

but why are so hung up on christianity? why not ancient greece's afterlife? or norse? or hindu? i mean, hey... what if WE'RE BOTH WRONG!? and hinduism is right? huh? what if you get reincarnated as a moth? :)

Pretty imaginative arn't you? ;)

[HarryPotter]

This threads way to mature for me. I am gunna go play with legos.