Shame on the US public, Champion sportswear

[Turf1600]

When gacy, Dahmer, Bundy etc....... were captured and sentence carried out dont you think the victims families were happy and had some kind of celebratory feelings.

I promise that there were no cheers and celebratory dances post execution. I imagine that they would be relieved and have a sense of closure - but that's an appropriate response.

[mrsleeve]

yeah thats my point. You are pointing at the very very small minority that took it too far, that the media keeps slathering the tv with as if its representative of the other 99.99999%

[Schnitzer318is]

Well, I completely agree with sleeve. Doesn't happen often.

The media (as always) likes to post the eccentrics because it brings in more ratings. Don't misconstrue the media's portrayal of celebrations as the actions of the majority of the country. Though most of the country is definitely glad he is dead. I know I am... not happy, but glad for sure.

As an agnostic, I disagree with most religious positions. But I don't begrudge anyone their beliefs until it starts to infringe on another's. We all already know more bloodshed has been in the name of some form of deity or other. Nothing new there.

I think you are misconstruing the country's feeling of relief, satisfaction, and justice as pure joy based on the media's portrayal.

As for those most closely affected by 9/11, I wouldn't begrudge them any joy or celebration they may choose to have. It may be cathartic for them and present a sort of closure that one of the men responsible, the most publicly defiant one, is dead.

^Is that right for them to do that? I don't know and wouldn't presume to try and rob them of that by giving them some philosophical rhetoric about morality.

In closing, I applaud you for your posting the thread as I am a firm believer in rational discussion. Sleeve and I have been on opposite ends of a few such discussions. I know you didn't mean to be judgmental in your original post, and you've apologized for it already (good on ya). I think with a few more years under you, you will be able to see things through the eyes of others and adjust the application of your morals on a case by case basis. <That is VERY important to be able to do... no rule, or moral, or law is ever able to be applied/directed with 100% efficacy to all situations/people.

[mrsleeve]

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Wow we agree.... I think you have put a little more eloquently than I have though. Its nice to be on same side for a change lol.

I think what you guys are missing is the ability to look at the situation through the eyes of the enemy. We're each doing what we want and calling it justice. How does that ever end?

How do you figure that. We got socked in the proverbial gut outta no where. Are we supposed to let the guy responsible just go live out his life with out answering for it, on the reasoning it may piss off others that think like he does ?????

NO YOU MAKE A FUCKING EXAMPLE OF THEM, so others wont even try it again.

[Maluco]

LOL at this thread! A thread actually considering the reactions of people for the 'death version' of justice for this terrorist, or whatever any of you want to call him.

Check this out, my state has executed over 1,200 for capital murder and/or sexual assault, second convictions of sexual assault. I haven't really considered whether I am pro-death penalty or anti-death penalty cause honestly, I don't have to make that decision. BUT, I can tell you I will never create a thread considering how people react for those people receiving the law enforced 'death version' of justice.

This guy declared war against countries, those countries' residents and citizens and carried out attacks taking lives. FUCK him! He got what he wanted quite honestly, killed 'infidels', died a martyr, in some people's eyes, and will now live amongst 2100 virgins (*not sure if serious on this one though).

If people celebrating the execution of an enemy of this magnitude is wrong, then you better not turn on the news cause you are in for a shock!!!! People are doing way much more fucked up things than this!

Shame on humans and human nature, not on the US public.

God Bless the United States and all of our mothers.

EDIT: You live in Texas, are you going to go to Austin and lobby against the death penalty?

furthermore, "how can people claim to be religious"? Seriously? Let him without sin cast the first stone. How are you going to comment on the sawdust in other's eyes when you have a plank in your own? Religion does not make any of us correct or without faults.

[Ryan Stewart]

I can't even begin to express how disappointed I am with the US public and the media regarding the attitude towards Bin Laden's death. It's no mystery why the world hates us. My faith in the moral and ethical integrity of this country as a whole has diminished significantly. How is it that so few people recognize the hypocracy that we have collectively demonstrated? Moreover, how can people claim to be religious while behaving as they have? Everything that I have observed has been void of morality and in disagreement with our constitution. This has been a sad, sad week.

Additionally, I am boycotting Champion as a result of their severed ties with Rashard Mendenhall. Shame on them for cutting him for practicing his religion and standing up for his beliefs.

a. fuck bin laden
b. Mendenhall can join him in a pineapple at the bottom of the sea, it wasnt his religion that cost him, it was his retarded conspiracy theory drivel on twitter that got him fired. He chose shoving his head up his ass instead of making money, hopefully he at least enjoys the smell.

[assoutE12]

I'm far more american than most. I feel that I would fit in better with the builders of our constitution than the bone headed hypocrites that litter the internet, though.

What exactly makes you more american than most? Because I was figuring that I would be more american since I pretty much live in the center of america, I mean your pretty much in Mexico.

[Turf1600]

Schnitzer, I agree. However, I'd like to note that I have no idea where the part about 9/11 victims or the idea that I thought "most of the country" was happy came from. I was basing my thoughts on my friends, co-workers, and observations of those around me. This is what annoys me about this thread - people are arguing about words that I never wrote out.

Maulco, you must not have read any of this thread - and if you did then you don't understand. Additionally, I'm not religious. I don't claim to adhere to the teachings of the bible. However, I apologized for appearing to pass judgement. That is not in line with my own principles.

Assout, considering the roots of our nation it's kind of ironic that your inquiry is loaded with racism and anti-immigration sentiment. Your integrity is even further strengthened by the grammatical errors that you made in your profession of patriotism. I know many hispanics (which by your logic are inherently less american) that have better control of our language.

However, the US is not a target upon which those in the middle are more american.

[ck_taft325is]

Schnitzer, I agree. However, I'd like to note that I have no idea where the part about 9/11 victims or the idea that I thought "most of the country" was happy came from. I was basing my thoughts on my friends, co-workers, and observations of those around me. This is what annoys me about this thread - people are arguing about words that I never wrote out.

Maulco, you must not have read any of this thread - and if you did then you don't understand. Additionally, I'm not religious. I don't claim to adhere to the teachings of the bible. However, I apologized for appearing to pass judgement. That is not in line with my own principles.

Assout, considering the roots of our nation it's kind of ironic that your inquiry is loaded with racism and anti-immigration sentiment. Your integrity is even further strengthened by the grammatical errors that you made in your profession of patriotism. I know many hispanics (which by your logic are inherently less american) that have better control of our language.

However, the US is not a target upon which those in the middle are more american.

You don't understand the basic idea that the very title of this thread is passing judgement? What about your funky little, "I'm better than you" worldview and brain doesn't understand this? The very sentiment that "passing judgement" is against or below you is a judgement in and of itself. How you look at the world is a judgement. A bias is a judgement in some form or another.

Until you understand that, you shouldn't claim that anyone misunderstood you. Who are you to say that? To judge that they have misunderstood something you might have incorrectly voiced? See where I'm going with this? It's retarded to think you can go without passing judgement. Best to own the judgement you've made than to claim you never made one when you have.

[Turf1600]

Yes yes - I get it. Everyone in this thread is guilty. I contradicted myself when I said "Let your life be your argument". No one in this thread is doing that - myself included. The only people who are not guilty are those who did not respond. I'm not an idiot - I have the ability to judge my own actions. However, I can reasonably believe that someone has not read the entire thread when they begin to argue points that I did not make or when they refuse to acknowledge things that I have written. I don't think that is unfair - and I don't think I was rude about it.

As for being biased, I'm open to alternative views so long as they are rational. I may get a bit fired up now and again but I don't think that I'm a biased person. Also, it's hard to convey this on the internet but I'm a very reasonable, fair and judgement free person.

Having that said, I've already apologized. It should also be noted that I have been the only person to do so. I was wrong about constitutional rights - perhaps even knowingly. I was wrong to word my first several responses as I did. I don't believe my initial words to represent my intent in creating this thread.

All of that aside, no one has made a decent argument in favor of my original complaint.

[A Sucked Orange]

Altruism, the default state of morality, is ant-natural. It is self destructive.

[Turf1600]

Could you please explain? I don't understand how altruism could be negative at all. In fact, I think it may be the only way to lead a balanced life as an atheist.

Edit: I may be underestimating your definition of altruism. My application of the word doesn't involve a diminished idea of the self - it's based more upon the idea that each life is ultimately the same. Though I recognize that classes and sub-cultures exist, I don't treat them any better or worse for it. Naturally, some behavior modification is due depending upon your audience but I think that's a given.

[A Sucked Orange]

Could you please explain? I don't understand how altruism could be negative at all. In fact, I think it may be the only way to lead a balanced life as an atheist.

Edit: I may be underestimating your definition of altruism. My application of the word doesn't involve a diminished idea of the self - it's based more upon the idea that each life is ultimately the same. Though I recognize that classes and sub-cultures exist, I don't treat them any better or worse for it. Naturally, some behavior modification is due depending upon your audience but I think that's a given.

al·tru·ism/ˈaltro͞oˌizəm/Noun

1. The belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others.
2. Behavior of an animal that benefits another at its own expense