Man robs bank to receive medical care

[87e30]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...109310680.html (tis an opinion article)

^ basically says open up purchasing across state lines. I agree that expanding the pool makes sense, so why haven't we done that? That is the huge push behind the government plan... yet we've had the ability to do it for years and it hasn't been done.

I have a problem with handing my choices over to the government when I don't need to. And by handing I mean having my choices stripped away.

[z31maniac]

Did you even read my post?

Apparently not.

Move to Canada if you want to pay for your neighbors healthcare. Then wait in line for 15 years to get a splinter removed. Seriously, move to Saskatoon. Now.

I'm not sticking to any lines, or sides. I'm just looking at whats best for the country.

The best thing for this country is to give people incentives to take care of themselves, while obviously addressing cost issues and providing care to those who are completely unable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market

We already pay for everyone's healthcare.

Hospitals provide HUNDRED's of BILLION's in free care each year that is then passed on to us in the form of $5 each aspirins and $10 pairs of latex gloves for insurance claims and such.

So we are providing care for the poor already, but in the most ineffecient way possible, instead of figuring out a way to extend coverage while controlling costs.

[Kershaw]

Where's my free shit that someone else gets to pay for?

come on man, i expect better from you. you didnt even post a quasi-logical skewed argument.

insurance isnt free. if it is, state farm is ripping me off.

not that anything you will say isnt ALREADY countered by corvallis. who just up and owned everyone in this thread before they even posted.

[joshh]

^It needs to be the exact opposite, you are responsible for routine, normal care. And there is a policy that protects you against large losses.

All the way back in 2005 a friend of mine broke his wrist in a motorcycle crash, his total bill had he not had insurance would have been $13k! For a broken wrist!

Oh but since we can't eat plastic (since everything is package in it), no coverage. So do we start excluding people for riding motorcycles? Skydiving? Driving?

You could break your wrist walking out to your car today, do all you guys have $15-20k in the bank to cover that?


You guys need to quit sticking ardently to the policy line and realize we've got a serious problem on our hands, and both sides are too busy grandstanding and going to the extreme to make a false point.

Yeah we sure have a serious problem on our hands. Too many people wanting a free ride and politicians caring more about the rich lobbyists that give them money rather than the average American. Handing out free health care isn't an option.

[joshh]

come on man, i expect better from you. you didnt even post a quasi-logical skewed argument.

insurance isnt free. if it is, state farm is ripping me off.

not that anything you will say isnt ALREADY countered by corvallis. who just up and owned everyone in this thread before they even posted.

So you're admitting you're not even bright enough to pick up on the argument I made there...nice.

[herbivor]

Yeah we sure have a serious problem on our hands. Too many people wanting a free ride and politicians caring more about the rich lobbyists that give them money rather than the average American. Handing out free health care isn't an option.

When a guy chooses prison for his "free ride", something isn't right, not with the guy, with the system. Ever time you say something, it sounds like sound bites from Hannity or Beck and not substantive, thoughtful dialogue to the debate. It's common with people that have hyperactive amygdalas. You may want to consult a neurologist and get that checked out. But make sure you have insurance otherwise it will cost a fortune.

[dirtysix]

This can all be solved by the free market. I know I sound like a douche but its absolutely true.

If you allow all Americans to deduct medical costs from their income taxes, along with providing vouchers to Americans with income under a certain point. Say $40,000 annually, people will buy Health Insurance.

Is this really your version of the free market?
Laughable.

[Wiglaf]

The worst part of this story?

You can get jail time for $1 but we can't seem to nail people in NY that owe us millions.

[z31maniac]

Yeah we sure have a serious problem on our hands. Too many people wanting a free ride and politicians caring more about the rich lobbyists that give them money rather than the average American. Handing out free health care isn't an option.

We already hand out free health care in the most expensive way possible.

[87e30]

We already hand out free health care in the most expensive way possible.

No input on opening up the pool to the country? I am curious why it doesn't get mentioned more?

[Wiglaf]

every time anyone tries it gets derailed into uselessness. too much money.

[joshh]

When a guy chooses prison for his "free ride", something isn't right, not with the guy, with the system. Ever time you say something, it sounds like sound bites from Hannity or Beck and not substantive, thoughtful dialogue to the debate. It's common with people that have hyperactive amygdalas. You may want to consult a neurologist and get that checked out. But make sure you have insurance otherwise it will cost a fortune.

Of course because it's a perfectly logical thing to do as suppose, go to a fucking doctor. Most doctors will try to help you out if you are totally strapped...specially if they see you are making a fucking effort to pay them what you can.
And your problem is you think this guy is a "poor guy can't catch a break' case...which for people like you are everyone. Thus the real problem. Personal responsibility...look it up.

We already hand out free health care in the most expensive way possible.

Yeah because people know they can get away with it. Free care at the ER and they know nor even try to make an effort to take responsibility for their bill. The problem is so much the system as it is those that believe heavily in entitlements. And those that refuse to work.

[Wiglaf]

The problem is so much the system as it is those that believe heavily in entitlements. And those that refuse to work.

If you think that this is the cause of our healthcare costs, you need to lose the blinders douche out your cranium.

[Axxe]

I <3 Canada.

[mrsleeve]

If you think that this is the cause of our healthcare costs, you need to lose the blinders douche out your cranium.

I have explaind all this in the HC thread


If it was not for govt meddling in the HC system to begin with to provide care for the old and disenfranchised, at below cost to preform the services we would not be in the state we are in now.