The hand outs continue

[Wiglaf]

I can't wait till GOP is back and then has to fess up to this:

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/07/08...social-pr.html

G/L with all that noise you drummed up, guys.

[Ryann]

Sleeve I agree that gov't. programs like these rarely do anything but hemorrhage money but your political views are so unoriginal, polarized and predictable that they skirt ignorance. Post about an issue that wasn't brought to your attention by the mainstream conservative media. I dare you.

[mrsleeve]

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Main Stream Conservative media------------------ Thats an oxymoron in and of it self.

I am predictable I suppose, because I post things here that most of you (such as your self) would not get exposed too other wise. Or if they run across it, it would be a glossed over and full of feel good, this is great news spin put on it. Really how else would I become aware of such things, I look/read from lots of news outlets, everything for the WSJ to MSNBC, and many places in between.

Are you accusing me ignorance..................I can read and write you know (spelling is shaky).............Ignorance of what.. Please be more specific.



wig:
Well I can safely say that I have only used one of those

Unemployment, But the thing is that U/E is a privately funded govt administered insurance program. Its funded by your self and your employer, Now if you are one of the 99er's then sure once you get off the standard 26 weeks and into the federal funded extensions.

[Ryann]

100% of people who don't have their heads up their asses understand that Fox News and it's affiliates ARE the mainstream conservative media.

I don't think you are stupid. When I say your views are borderline ignorant I'm referring to the fact that you reliably and predictably subscribe to one side of politics as portrayed by the media.

Don't allow yourself to be polarized (controlled) by the establishment. Think for yourself.

[mrsleeve]

100% of people who don't have their heads up their asses understand that Fox News and it's affiliates ARE the mainstream conservative media.

yes I suppose you have a point there, but when the vast majority of news a person is exposed to in a day (unless they seek out fox and its affiliates or other wise conservatives ) is biased well to the left and most organizations admit freely to that.

I don't think you are stupid. When I say your views are borderline ignorant I'm referring to the fact that you reliably and predictably subscribe to one side of politics as portrayed by the media.

Ummm just because I share a similar view point to what is espoused in the media circles you have disdain for, does not equate to me not thinking for my self. I am reliable and predictable because, I have a understanding of my values and a bit of real world life experience. (for the record I not a big fan of most all media outlets and talking heads).

I get it you guys dont take much of what I say seriously thats fine I get that I am just some nut behind a laptop screen, but dont pigeon hole me, with out looking in the mirror. when much of the arguments many of the liberals use come from the same, or rehashed from college professors that have never set foot outta academia.

Don't allow yourself to be polarized (controlled) by the establishment. Think for yourself.

"The establishment" I hope this is a slip of the tongue, as when I read this all I get outta it is the "Pot Head hippy code words" For the evil rich people and business that are keeping me down and killing the earth.

The same can apply to you (general "you" as I dont think we have had too many go rounds yet).

I try and base my values and views on my experience, common sense, what I know of human nature, along with what I was taught growing up raised in a large part by my Grand parents and Great aunt and uncle and the wisdom they tried so hard to pass on to me and my brother.

[cabriodster87]

sell the bimmer, the truck, boat, tools, house and contents, pay off mortgage, and go rent on skid row where id dosent snow..take the bus, get older, die alone.

[Ryann]

..the vast majority of news a person is exposed to in a day (unless they seek out fox and its affiliates or other wise conservatives) is biased well to the left and most organizations admit freely to that.

Agreed.

However, the fact that you assume I am "Leftist" or a pot head hippy because I'm critical of your decidedly "Right" stance tells me that you subscribe to the Right vs. Left bullshit that all news media falsely presents as our only real choices, which is what I am criticizing you for.

I'm just as irritated with all the Leftist fucking morons that thought Barack Obama was going to be Jesus Christ our Nation's Saviour.

[mrsleeve]

Agreed.

However, the fact that you assume I am "Leftist" or a pot head hippy because I'm critical of your decidedly "Right" stance tells me that you subscribe to the Right vs. Left bullshit that all news media falsely presents as our only real choices, which is what I am criticizing you for.

I'm just as irritated with all the Leftist fucking morons that thought Barack Obama was going to be Jesus Christ our Nation's Saviour.

Like I said we have have not had too many 1-1 interactions so I am not as familiar with you as I am with the likes of h0lmes, Corvallis, Wig, and the Vegetarian ect...

I dont assume your a pot head hippy, just saying thats what I hear and think when I hear someone reference "the establishment" in the manner you did. No more no less

I am not really a left/right guy. I am more a Right and Wrong guy, with emphasis on personal responsibility. I will say 1 more time, I am not opposed to helping people when they need it, I am opposed to doing for their life time and REMOVING ALL CONSEQUENCES for bad decision making . I am more of an originalist, and conservative libertarian than anything. I break ranks with the R's frequently on many issues. I am not a republican so this only makes sense.

The news is what is and its disgusting how its being used, in many cases I post articles from CNN and MSNBC, WSJ even the NYT on occasion just this time Fox Business had it up 1st.

In many cases I post shit up just as way to get alternate view points form all angles from moderate to the extremes on both sides. The debate that ensues is good and healthy as it forces all of us to be critical of our positions and of our selves. While I will prolly not change my mind thanks to something you say and you wont because of something I say. The discourse is what helps us all at least consider it from other angles, even as we are formulating a rebuttal to poke as many holes in it as we can. Its good mental exercise, and we have a good core group of active guys that post here. We can fling a little shit and get a little messy which comes with all good debates, form cars to politics to food to anything anyone is passionate about and no one gets butt hurt and takes all in good fun.

Sorry OT again

[Ryann]

I am not opposed to helping people when they need it, I am opposed to doing for their life time and REMOVING ALL CONSEQUENCES for bad decision making.

Agreed. There should be consequences for all Americans, including our policy makers.

[Vedubin01]

Agreed. There should be consequences for all Americans, including our policy makers.

I dont think anyone disagrees with you here

[e30e]

He has to get re-elected, how else do you get them to vote for you again......Give them free things!

Free of course is open to definition but most dumb people don't read fine print.

[GDA]

I'm saying everyone has to pay for it, but not everyone is unfortunate enough to need it. I'm sure you know insurance coverage works on the same principle. Someday things could turn around real quick and if they do you'll be glad someone is there to help you like you helped them. It only takes a split second to seriously injure someone and put them out of work for months.

Good for you that you work so hard, I'm sure it leads to quite a comfortable lifestyle for you and your lady. That's nothing to complain about.


There's a very easy litmus test for this: imagine YOURSELF, truthfully, in a situation described in the article. You're recently unemployed and still have mortgage payments to make. Would you honestly prefer to:

a) sell everything, default on your house and move into an apartment?

or b) accept the one year grace period, keeping your house and possessions until you find a new job.

Looking at situations in first person (none of this "us and them" crap) can really expand your point of view and understanding. Try it out, your whole outlook on life will change.

Your A and B scenario are completely missing the real point.

There should be a C - cut down on all unnecessary expenses, use your 9 to 12 month rainy day cash fund to pay the mortgage while you go get another job.

Lack of responsibilty toward their own fiscal responsibility and future has shown that many don't give themselves option C.

[Wiglaf]

you honestly have enough saved to pay your mortgage and bills for 9 to 12 months?

[GDA]

Yup. Debt free except for the house mortgage.

Was I this way in college, no way. I usually had 4 to 5 months of living money set aside outside of school bills. By 5 years out of college and living in an apartment, I had paid off all my school debt and car and was completely debt free.

If more people would live within their means they would understand how important this is to a stable and secure life.

[gwb72tii]

Yup. Debt free except for the house mortgage.

Was I this way in college, no way. I usually had 4 to 5 months of living money set aside outside of school bills. By 5 years out of college and living in an apartment, I had paid off all my school debt and car and was completely debt free.

If more people would live within their means they would understand how important this is to a stable and secure life.

winner!