When did US citizens become such cowards?

[z31maniac]

You only think I'm trolling because you're an American idiot who believes it is acceptable for the U.S to invade/bomb/nuke other countries for no reason other than making themselves richer.

EDIT: "Terrorist" attacks and plots are merely lies to trick your citizens into following the evil agenda of your government. You probably believe that man they killed in Pakistan was actually Osama Bin Laden.

Let us know when Aussie land stops banning video games and dictating breast size in porn.

[Wiglaf]

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They are holding a grudge aginst the jews going back a 1000 years. They are still mad about the christans coming to the holy land a few time 600-700 years ago.

Helping their enemies ??? Splain. Oh yeah I know what you are getting at.....

well yeah you can't deny that they are being unreasonable grudge holders

[Dozyproductions]

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Your attempts at trolling are getting really tired and obvious try a little harder would ya

Have you ever looked at what we do from another stand point? There is other ways we can conduct our 'foreign policy'. Why do we consider China so much more evil ( I do remember their abuses in human rights) yet most of the world condemns our actions?

[joshh]

well yeah you can't deny that they are being unreasonable grudge holders

About as reasonable as how they get treated by Israel? All fair now?

[mrsleeve]

Have you ever looked at what we do from another stand point? There is other ways we can conduct our 'foreign policy'. Why do we consider China so much more evil ( I do remember their abuses in human rights) yet most of the world condemns our actions?

Yeah Yeah blah blah blah.

What we have done in theses respects in the last 40 years is not something I would fully endorse. One could argue necessity, on could argue isolationism as well. But you end going no where and in a big circle right back to where you started, I have been down that road.

The point is after WWII we were what was left, with our untouched manufacturing capability and prowess left intactded (sp??) along with lots of state of the art hardware and guys to use it. The world by then had become accustomed to the USA coming to the rescue when the chips were down. Also after WWII, the Chinese civil war broke out. The PRC which we know as China today under the leadership of Chairman Mao, and on his orders butchered 70m of its own citizens to retain power and instill fear that reigns to this day, yeah I would say thats evil. Modern day Taiwan (aka Republic of China) was and has remained a free state (again no thanks to us). The Civil war has never been formally ended either.

From then on it has done nothing but balloon and spiral down the shitter. I dont really like the fact that we are expected to quell all the uprisings all over the world, I dont like the fact that anytime mother nature kicks a 3rd world nation in groin we are expected to give out billions in aid in both cash and supplies, just because we can, and because we always have. We cant afford this shit anymore

Like it or not the rest of the world would not be where any of of us are with out the USA. Lots of things I dont agree with, and how things have been conducted with a hammer rather than a feather duster, but the fact still remains if we dont do the jobs that no one else wants to, then who will....................

the moral of the story is .... dont bitch about the mashed potatoes at hunting camp unless you are gonna start doing all the cooking yourself.

[E-Thirty]

About as reasonable as how they get treated by Israel? All fair now?

We talking about Muslims or Palestinians?

[mrsleeve]

We talking about Muslims or Palestinians?

Ummm Most Palestinians follow the teachings of Mohammad there man, there by making them Islamic Palestinians (of the Sunni flavor no less) there for are Muslims, and joshes statement relevant. There are Palestinian Christians as well. Since the Islamic concurring in like 650ad most Palestinians have been Muslims, they were forced to convert under threat of extreme sanctions or even death. And again in the 1100's when Saladin retook the area from the crusaders

I like how everyone thinks Muslim is a Race and not a religion...............

[E-Thirty]

That's some pretty impressive knowledge.

If you notice in what I quoted, Josh seems to be stating what is unreasonable treatment from Israelis, which doesn't really pertain to the Muslim population alone... Which means he would be the one making that mistake between race and religion... Even though Palestinian isn't really a race...

[mrsleeve]

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Oh what a narrow scope of the world you seem to have/or are trying to pigeon hole this thread into. There are far more reaching implications to joshes comment than what you are trying to bait this conversation into.

[joshh]

That's some pretty impressive knowledge.

If you notice in what I quoted, Josh seems to be stating what is unreasonable treatment from Israelis, which doesn't really pertain to the Muslim population alone... Which means he would be the one making that mistake between race and religion... Even though Palestinian isn't really a race...

My point is what happened in the far past (race or religion) should not be brought up by current generations to hold against their ancestor's enemies. The example was to point out that it's not reasonable to do this and retaliation isn't either.
Can you imagine yourself finding one of your ancestor's enemies (from 1000 years ago) and killing them just because of that simple fact? Welcome to the war between Jews and Muslims. Except one side has written in their bible to kill the other.

[Emre]

Except one side has written in their bible to kill the other.

You should do some research before posting this kind of stuff. There is absolutely nothing in the Qur'an that says you should kill Jews.

And there's really no such thing as "Islam" either. Like all religions, there are various sects who believe very different things. The Wahhabis, who are the stereotype of the West-hating evil Muslim, are hardly mainstream. Most Muslims consider them extremists.

Anyway, I have no dog in this race. I find all religions rather silly; it's incomprehensible to me that educated, intelligent people can take any of this stuff seriously. But if you're going to make all kinds of outlandish claims about Islam, you really should take 15 minutes to educate yourself on the basics.

[E-Thirty]

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Oh what a narrow scope of the world you seem to have/or are trying to pigeon hole this thread into. There are far more reaching implications to joshes comment than what you are trying to bait this conversation into.

Thanks for keeping it on topic with that insightful post. You misunderstood and you are forgiven.

I agree with a lot of what Joshh says, twas just a little tongue in cheek sorta comment.

[bme30]

[Chaos Theory]

Let us know when Aussie land stops banning video games and dictating breast size in porn.

Dude, the Australian government sucks. Our solution to everything is either; ban it, or tax it.

In my city the police don't even bother solving serious crime, they only do their job when it involves issuing fines. If my GF got raped with enough evidence to prosecute someone, the police would still say, "Sorry there isn't anything we can do about it"(will just cost too much money, blah, blah) but if you drive down the street in a lowered car they'll take your license away, slap you with a fine and defect your car. Thus making you revert to stock and have an expensive inspection to get it back on the road.

At the end of the day, all governments are a bunch of assholes bent on a power trip. What gives them the right to dictate the rest of the population because they don't happen to like something? It's bullshit. Especially considering the people that make laws, and policies so happen to be some of the most corrupt, racist, child molesting pieces of shit on the planet.

Our government sucks, your government sucks, the whole worlds government sucks.

The people really need to stop blindly supporting a bunch of college boys with every backwards ass decision they choose to make, just because they so happen to be the government of the country they were born in.

Realistically, we have no more allegiance to the country we come from, other than the fact that we popped out of a vagina that resided within that man- made geographical border.

Patriotism is a disease that needs to be exterminated.

[joshh]

You should do some research before posting this kind of stuff. There is absolutely nothing in the Qur'an that says you should kill Jews.

And there's really no such thing as "Islam" either. Like all religions, there are various sects who believe very different things. The Wahhabis, who are the stereotype of the West-hating evil Muslim, are hardly mainstream. Most Muslims consider them extremists.

Anyway, I have no dog in this race. I find all religions rather silly; it's incomprehensible to me that educated, intelligent people can take any of this stuff seriously. But if you're going to make all kinds of outlandish claims about Islam, you really should take 15 minutes to educate yourself on the basics.

4:89 "They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper."


Sura 5:51: “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he among you that turns to them for friendship is of them.”

Sura3 3:64: “Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers (whom he defined as Christians in the 5th surah “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.) and has prepared for them a Blazing Fire to dwell in forever. No protector will they find, nor savior. That Day their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire. They will say: ‘Woe to us! We should have obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!’ ‘Our Lord! Give them double torment and curse them with a very great Curse!’”

4:101 “When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies.”

Sura 2:187-189 “And kill them wherever ye shall find them, and eject them from whatever place they have ejected you; for civil discord is worse than carnage: yet attack them not at the sacred Mosque, unless they attack you therein; but if they attack you, slay them. Such the reward of the infidels...Fight therefore against them until there be no more civil discord, and the only worship be that of God: but if they desist, then let there be no hostility, save against the wicked.”

2:190-292 “Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out: For tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they first fight you there; But if they fight you, Slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.”

Sura 9:29-33: “Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled. The Jews say, 'Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God'; and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is a son of God'. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the Infidels of old! God do battle with them! How are they misguided!..He it is who hath sent His Apostle with the Guidance and a religion of the truth, that He may make it victorious over every other religion, albeit they who assign partners to God be averse from it.”