Republicans shut down the FAA

[z31maniac]

To be fair, if the Dems had bothered to pass a budget while they had the House/Senate and Oval office, none of this would have happened.

So all the blame doesn't fall on the GOP.

[BraveUlysses]

So you equate what the Government does good based on how much free shit they give you. Welcome to the failure of the average current young American.
Yes I know most of you Unions guys do think you're underpaid. Typical bullshit. Some asshole Union (non Government) painter once was bitching to his buddies on a job site I was installing cabinets on. He was bitching that all he got was $19.00 hr. While I had never been paid more than $13.00 hr being a well trained and competent Cabinet maker/installer that had to work his ass off just to keep my job. I can only imagine the other benefits the guy was getting while I quite literally never had insurance till the last cabinet making job I had and I had to pay half my insurance costs. And the insurance wasn't very good at that.

And how about my iron working friend who was once bitching he was only making (at the time) $27.00 hr (or was it $25.00 hr), full coverage insurance, a bonus system and retirement all set up for him (but he does work his ass off). BOO FUCKING HOO. I had to break it to him that I'd never made more than $13.00 hr...to put it into perspective. Which is exactly what many Union folks are missing. I've had more than enough run ins with Union workers and how they think.
I just love how you fuckers can't even park in the same area as us lowly non-Union folk. Bourgeois Pig assholes is all it amounts to.
So don't mind me thinking your completely full of shit when you say your underpaid. Even the pee ons in Unions get paid $15.00+ hr generally. But most also have a pretty sweet benefits package.

How exactly are you protecting your trade and what do you mean by that? Protecting it from what and how?

Sour grapes.

[mar1t1me]

$25/hr is only $52K a year. That's not a lot of money.....

Hell, back in Delta Air Lines pre-1978 pre-deregulation glory days, my dad made $40K as a fuel and oil pump mechanic, had full immediate family flight privileges and stellar health care in a very pleasant working environment.

Not anymore.

The desire for low prices at all costs will make us all paupers, except for that 1-2% that is holding all the cash......

[e30e]

the desire for low prices at all costs will make us all paupers, except for that 1-2% that is holding all the cash......

zing!

[joshh]

Sour grapes.

As usual, you missed it. It's all about perspective. I haven't a problem with anyone making a good living. But then to hear guys whining about how unfair it all is while most other manual labor employees make considerably less is standard Union cry baby nonsense.

$25/hr is only $52K a year. That's not a lot of money.....

Hell, back in Delta Air Lines pre-1978 pre-deregulation glory days, my dad made $40K as a fuel and oil pump mechanic, had full immediate family flight privileges and stellar health care in a very pleasant working environment.

Not anymore.

The desire for low prices at all costs will make us all paupers, except for that 1-2% that is holding all the cash......

You have it mixed up. The reason we're now where we are is because of Unions having their way for so many years. Demanding the most cash and benefits as they can smuggle away from tax payers or outfits that are forced to pay Union wages. Finally it's catching up with them and they're seeing more and more that they have to really work to keep their jobs. People putting pressure on the Unions is a good thing. They might have to break a sweat now days.
That's not for all Unions. I have friends that work their asses off in a Union.


The FAA should be privatized.

[BraveUlysses]

As usual, you missed it. It's all about perspective. I haven't a problem with anyone making a good living. But then to hear guys whining about how unfair it all is while most other manual labor employees make considerably less is standard Union cry baby nonsense.

You can't complain that I didn't take your statements 'in perspective' when you provide none.

I took all that I could from your one-sided anecdotal stories, because that's all they are.

The FAA should be privatized.

lol

Why?

[z31maniac]

$25/hr is only $52K a year. That's not a lot of money.....

Avg salary in the country is ~$35k. So thats still approx 45% higher? (I always confuse which number goes on top in the % difference)

But I agree if you are in an area with a high cost of living, that isn't really much.

[Mr Two]

Hey Joshh, do you remember reading about how awesome it was to be a laborer before unions?

[joshh]

You can't complain that I didn't take your statements 'in perspective' when you provide none.

I took all that I could from your one-sided anecdotal stories, because that's all they are.



lol

Why?

I realize you're doing everything you can to ignore what it is I'm saying. I suspect you fully understand, but you having to come to terms with it is tough.
Perspective of the worker...
I've worked in many cabinet shops and Construction companies and I'm very familiar with the pay scale of most construction fields. The vast majority of these workers were making less than 15 hr (nonunion). Now que the Union guys bitching about their being "underpaid" (this now includes e30e) while still making considerably more than 80% or so of all the guys I have ever worked around. They can eat shit.


Because this is another area where Government sucks at their job.

http://www.examiner.com/aviation-news-in-washington-dc/faa-official-resigns-over-air-traffic-controller-sleeping-issues

Hey Joshh, do you remember reading about how awesome it was to be a laborer before unions?

Am I advocating for no Unions? No, I just want them to stop buying Politicians and get honest and straight with the tax payer and companies forced to use them. And to stop with the power trip.

[NKRoberts]

Hey Joshh, do you remember reading about how awesome it was to be a laborer before unions?

yeah unions were great in helping the workers have a voice, but today they are plenty of people that aren't part of unions and don't get treated like shit.

[Fusion]

Fuck politics, acquire gold while you still can.

fix't

[e30e]

Am I advocating for no Unions? No, I just want them to stop buying Politicians and get honest and straight with the tax payer and companies forced to use them. And to stop with the power trip.

Once again your wording choice is trolling, you assume if someone is union, we are a giant cult that comes together like the UN of unions and do all of these things. The signalmen union has very little power aside for ASKING for pay raises and protecting our trade. We can strike, but we don't. Why, because we have a job of constructing and maintaining the signal system.

Who has the powertrip, well my company told my union that they were going to lay us all off unless they cut my wage by 5 dollars an hour and give me conditions on the jobs and requirements I can and cannot do. Now that they have an agreement, the company wants me to do things that I'm not paid to do and in the agreement not supposed to do. So how has the power trip, according to you....The unions, your negative associations and complete failure to recognize that your opinion is largely based on just your experience. Companies are NOT FORCED to use Unions, they have agreed to use them. Union Pacific deals with 7 different unions, why because THEY AGREED to it. Do they want to eliminate Unions, absolutely. Why because the 1% of the country that own the large portions of this company want even MORE money.

Unions have NO power in Arizona, so once again your wording and association IS WRONG. So where is all that money they're stealing from the government in Arizona, find them for me please so I can have my TAX money back.

Want to see a positive thing from Unions, Safeway or Fry's cashier makes 15-16 dollars an hour, full health, all the good stuff because there union fought for it. They are part of the middle class of America, where as Walmart pays the same position 7 dollars an hour, no full time, no health care, nothing....The job sucks; according to your market determines wage thinking, the unions are evil. Last time I checked all three of those companies are billion dollar corporations, but only one openly treats there employess like shit and cause an actual drain on the local economies by purposely setting up there employees to qualify for welfare. But your right unions get together to think about bringing communism to america.

But reasoning with you is like talking to a brick wall, thank god your not a politician.

[BraveUlysses]

I realize you're doing everything you can to ignore what it is I'm saying. I suspect you fully understand, but you having to come to terms with it is tough.

Maybe you're not realizing that your communication skills are shit at best? It's always everybody else's fault right?

Because this is another area where Government sucks at their job.
http://www.examiner.com/aviation-new...leeping-issues

what kind of resolution did you want from that situation? why would privatizing the faa have solved this? why would it prevent it in the future?

[joshh]

Once again your wording choice is trolling, you assume if someone is union, we are a giant cult that comes together like the UN of unions and do all of these things. The signalmen union has very little power aside for ASKING for pay raises and protecting our trade. We can strike, but we don't. Why, because we have a job of constructing and maintaining the signal system.

Who has the powertrip, well my company told my union that they were going to lay us all off unless they cut my wage by 5 dollars an hour and give me conditions on the jobs and requirements I can and cannot do. Now that they have an agreement, the company wants me to do things that I'm not paid to do and in the agreement not supposed to do. So how has the power trip, according to you....The unions, your negative associations and complete failure to recognize that your opinion is largely based on just your experience. Companies are NOT FORCED to use Unions, they have agreed to use them. Union Pacific deals with 7 different unions, why because THEY AGREED to it. Do they want to eliminate Unions, absolutely. Why because the 1% of the country that own the large portions of this company want even MORE money.

Unions have NO power in Arizona, so once again your wording and association IS WRONG. So where is all that money they're stealing from the government in Arizona, find them for me please so I can have my TAX money back.

Want to see a positive thing from Unions, Safeway or Fry's cashier makes 15-16 dollars an hour, full health, all the good stuff because there union fought for it. They are part of the middle class of America, where as Walmart pays the same position 7 dollars an hour, no full time, no health care, nothing....The job sucks; according to your market determines wage thinking, the unions are evil. Last time I checked all three of those companies are billion dollar corporations, but only one openly treats there employess like shit and cause an actual drain on the local economies by purposely setting up there employees to qualify for welfare. But your right unions get together to think about bringing communism to america.

But reasoning with you is like talking to a brick wall, thank god your not a politician.

How much do you get paid per hour?

[joshh]

Maybe you're not realizing that your communication skills are shit at best? It's always everybody else's fault right?



what kind of resolution did you want from that situation? why would privatizing the faa have solved this? why would it prevent it in the future?

Kind of like your duplication skills. I had to put it on a silver platter for you....it's not that difficult to understand.

Because you can actually hold employees responsible unlike what happens in most Unions. That and that alone is good enough. Among other reasons. You can fire a person for their mistakes instead of the Union trying to protect those that should be fired. Union employees care more about what they get (pay and benefits) and could care less about the company involved. Because if the company makes money they're evil bastards for not paying Union workers more.