Conservatives fund a study that reveals global warming is real.

[E30Kaiser]

http://www.oar.noaa.gov/climate/t_ozonelayer.html

I.E. CFC is a carbon emission.

Sorry, I guess you could make that connection, I just think of Carbon Dioxide when I think Carbon Emissions, since that is what people are talking about when they speak of climate change.

[joshh]

Sorry, I guess you could make that connection, I just think of Carbon Dioxide when I think Carbon Emissions, since that is what people are talking about when they speak of climate change.

I should have clarified as I can see how what I said could imply that idea.
Just pointing out the ozone is another unknown right now. While we continue to learn more and more.
We still have huge "holes" in the ozone that they can't entirely explain.

[mrsleeve]

^ that

[herbivor]

your assumeing that the Ozone layer is consistent and uniform all over the globe, and that it has always been that way. we didnt know there was a hole until we had satellites to see that thing. It has prolly been there in some form, for hundreds of 1000's of years before humans have even graced this ball of dirt

you assume that the higher intensity of the magnetosphere, or the consolidation of the solar wind interactions with the atmosphere has nothing to do with it.

Really? You're actually skeptical that the Ozone hole is not caused by humans? Holy shit. I thought that was so obvious no one was denying it. That argument is not even worth debating. You seem to share the same mindset as the lady in the clip. Good luck with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

[mrsleeve]

No herb I am skeptical of everything . For the reasons I have already provided. we are mere children when it comes to our understand of how everything works in the grand scale of things. We dont have the long term data to prove anything.

Thats my fucking point. We cant make a definitive assessment either way with only a 140 years max of accurate weather patterns and records, and 30-40 years or less of highly advanced satellite gathered data. Life sustaining weather on this ball of dirt has been here for 2+ billion years, and its been changing that whole damm time to think just because we are here now its going to stay the same is a ludicrous stance to take.

The hubris you have, to think that we are going to hurt this ball of dirt in the long run (short of full scale nuke warfare) is somewhat disgusting and people like you seem to have placed yourselves much higher on the "importance" scale of the universe or the planet that you really are MUCH MUCH higher. We mean nothing to the cosmos, and this planet. soon enough (in the grand scope of things) we will be extinct whether it be by our own hand or some natural occurrence.

Dont worry no matter what happens the SUN WILL rise again tomorrow no matter what we do to this planet whether your here to see it or not, and will continue to do so for another 4 billion years or so. Once you understand your place in the cosmos, life is much easier we mean nothing.

[Kershaw]

ahh... no.

the ozone depletion is directly caused by us. i wasnt even aware that was up for discussion.

[mrsleeve]

I am more inclined to buy into the R12/CFC emissions eating Ozone as there is more conclusive data to show that than I am AGW. But we still have no way of proving there was not always a hole/holes before the invention of the correct data collecting devices.

My point is that there could very well be more natural causes that have some bearing on that as well that we dont even know about or understand as well.

[Kershaw]

ah... well, we were collecting data on the ozone for 2 decades before the hole was discovered. so we had quite a bit of data to look back on.

in case you want to read more (i know you dont, lol)

http://www.epa.gov/ozone/science/indicat/

[mrsleeve]

I have to read enough crap from the EPA and CFR, I am back at work ;)


I am well aware of much of the ozone stuff, circa 1998-99 I had to do a 13 page paper on it.

[CorvallisBMW]

taken from just out side my door at my hotel in Allentown PA 5 mins ago. Yeah thats all since about 8am, and I live 600+ miles further north and we have not had this much snow below 5000 feet yet

Global warming at work nearly a foot of snow (when its all said and done) in southern PA BEFORE HALLOWEEN

If a single snowstorm is proof that global warming isn't real, then is the record drought and heat wave in Texas that's been going on the last 12 months proof that it is real?

Fucking simpleton LOL

[mrsleeve]

I was being facetious there dude or did that go over your head


Oh and the shit thats happening in TX has happend before in living memory of some even, you recall reading about the dust bowl dont you?????

[joshh]

I was being facetious there dude or did that go over your head


Oh and the shit thats happening in TX has happend before in living memory of some even, you recall reading about the dust bowl dont you?????

Yeah see proof of GW. Oh wait that was only shortly after the industrial boom....see how fast GW works!

[Farbin Kaiber]

Really? You're actually skeptical that the Ozone hole is not caused by humans? Holy shit. I thought that was so obvious no one was denying it. That argument is not even worth debating. You seem to share the same mindset as the lady in the clip. Good luck with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

I think the tides are caused by surfers. Ever notice the biggest and best waves are where there is a high density of surfers? They must be doing it with their minds, or using The Secret or some space age shit.

[mrsleeve]

easy there farb your going to blow herbi, tjisiwtfbbq, and corvallis, minds with talk like that

[joshh]

Taking bets on how long the protesters will last in the snow.


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