someone please tell me this isn't happening

[87e30]

I just hate everyone.

No need for discretion.

Lol. Sig.

[RawToast]

Jean asked me about this bill the other day so I did some research on it. If you read the bill it does NOT apply to US citizens, this is the EXACT text in the bill.

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

So what you guys think it is ( way around due process for citizens ) and what it really is ( closes the loophole for foreign born terrorists on US soil receiving constitutional rights after they are brought here ) are two very different things.

Very reassuring...

[Kershaw]

fizzle fizzle fizzle

poof.

[Vedubin01]

here is some more news on this....

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-lawyers-citizens-targeted-war-us-154313473.html

Obama lawyers: Citizens targeted if at war with US

WASHINGTON (AP) — Top national security lawyers in the Obama administration say U.S. citizens are legitimate military targets when they take up arms with al-Qaida.The lawyers were asked at a national security conference Thursday about the CIA killing of Anwar al-Alwaki, a U.S. citizen and leading al-Qaida figure. He died in a Sept. 30 U.S. drone strike in the mountains of Yemen.
The government lawyers — CIA counsel Stephen Preston and Pentagon counsel Jeh Johnson — did not directly address the al-Alwaki case. But they said U.S. citizens don't have immunity when they're at war with the United States.
Johnson said only the executive branch, not the courts, are equipped to make decisions about who qualifies as an enemy.

[Kershaw]

yeah it passed last night unfortunately.

[mrsleeve]

fizzle fizzle fizzle

poof.

not so much fizzle so much as misdirection and the cat is still outta the bag. This shit is really gonna happen. Seems the language that was there in the version that made it past committee (that Pinepig posted) that exempted US citizens was REMOVED at the request of the 0 him self or at least his cronies

[herbivor]

So isn't this law unconstitutional since it violates the 4th amendment?

[mrsleeve]

yeah one would think.....................................


has not stopped them from writing them before after all the Constitution is just a piece of paper right ??? It will be tied up in the courts for years if we are lucky enough to have a few file against it

[750]

http://www.craigslist.org/about/SOPA

craigslist
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Updated:
Jan 14th 2012 03:39 PM
about > SOPA

Let Congress know you OPPOSE H.R. 3261 "Stop Online Piracy Act" (SOPA) and S. 968 "Protect IP Act" (PIPA):

Reverse Robocall ALL pro-SOPA MOC + Key Lobbyists (Genius! More info on Ars Technica)
Phone your Member of Congress the old fashioned way (House) (Senate)
Contact Senators who are refusing to meet with constituents about SOPA/PIPA.
EFF Congressional Emailer - Oppose Internet Blacklisting (SOPA & PIPA)
ECA Congressional Emailer - Don't Censor Our Internet!
OpenCongress Congressional Emailer - Oppose SOPA
Generic Congressional Emailer (You'll need your Zip+4)
Outside the US? Sign Petition Opposing US Censorship of Global Sites (EFF)

Opponents of SOPA: Google, Yahoo, Wikipedia, craigslist, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, eBay, AOL, Mozilla, Reddit, Tumblr, Etsy, Zynga, EFF, ACLU, Human Rights Watch, Darrell Issa (R-CA), Ron Wyden (D-OR), Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Ron Paul (R-TX)

Supporters of SOPA: RIAA, MPAA, News Corporation, VISA, Mastercard, Pfizer, Comcast, Time Warner, ABC, Nike, Walmart, Dow Chemical, Tiffany, Chanel, Rolex, Monster Cable, Teamsters, Lamar Smith (R-TX), John Conyers (D-MI)

Where does your Member of Congress stand on SOPA? (Project SOPA Opera)

SOPA and PIPA Are Too Dangerous To Revise, They Must Be Killed Entirely

Congress needs to hear from you, or these dangerous bills will pass - they have tremendous lobbying dollars behind them, from large corporations reportedly hoping to prop up outdated, anti-consumer business models at the expense of the very fabric of the Internet -- recklessly unleashing a tsunami of take-down notices and litigation, and a Pandora's jar of "chilling effects" and other unintended (or perhaps intended?) consequences.

For example, Monster Cable considers craigslist a "rogue site" for takedown under PIPA - they want to prevent YOU from selling YOUR unwanted cables so they can increase sales! Many other "rights holders" want to do the same. Boycott anyone? There is an app for that.

Corporations pushing SOPA/PIPA want the ability to block you from reaching any web site they feel might be hurting their profits -- without due process of any kind, or review in any court -- by literally interrupting all Internet traffic to those sites via DNS at the ISPs and by censoring search engine results. Incredibly, many lawmakers want to give them that right.

There is still time to be heard. Congress is starting to backpedal on this job-killing, anti-American nonsense, and the Obama administration has weighed in against these bills as drafted, but SOPA/PIPA cannot be fixed or revised -- they must be killed altogether.

Sen Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Rep Ron Wyden (D-OR) are championing an alternative to SOPA/PIPA called Online Protection and Enforcement of Digital Trade Act (OPEN) that focuses on cutting off payments to foreign sites dedicated to piracy, and refrains from disrupting basic Internet protocols, or threatening mainstream US sites like craigslist.

Tim O'Reilly, a publisher who is himself subject to piracy, asks whether piracy is even a problem, and whether there is even a legitimate need for any of these bills.


Learn more about SOPA, Protect IP (PIPA), and Internet Blacklisting:

Growing Chorus of Opposition to SOPA
Open Letter against SOPA from 83 Prominent Internet Engineers
Why SOPA and Protect IP (PIPA) are Bad, Bad Ideas (Techdirt)
Piracy not a problem, SOPA/PIPA unnecessary (Tim O'Reilly on GigaOM)
SOPA News (Google News)
SOPA Wikipedia entry
SOPA FAQ (CNET)



Update off craigslist. Hope this just goes away. This is also a first, I agree with Nancy Pelosi.