Canada exits Kyoto?

[87e30]

Xian was a mess when I visited. People were selling Pomegranate fruit on the side of the road. Our local guide told us they are laced with mercury and not to eat any of the fruit from Xian, yet all the locals eat it!! Chengdu and Beijing were just as bad from a pollution standpoint. Anyone who is against the EPA or environmental regulations need only to visit China (or most any other 2nd world large cities) to see what the outcome would be.

Maybe. I'd bet that people like you and I would not accept living standards like that here in the US and would figure out our own ways to enjoy life with out someone else telling us. :D

As far as kyoto I'm sure the issue is far more complex than I understand. As a whole I am not happy with international treaties though because they can overule our own voice for what we vote on.

[gwb72tii]

The Kyoto protocol was definitely flawed to begin with and left little room for growth of infrastructure went. Being such a small population with incredibly large amounts of resources, we are going to exceed what we thought we'd be producing for co2 now that our production has skyrocketed. As for simply saying fuck you to the agreement instead of having the fat cats who's made billions, no sir....that's unacceptable.

ahhhh, you must mean fat al gore?

and, without getting into the details, kyoto would have slowed AGW (if its real) by less than 1* by 2100. not to mention killing hundreds of thousands in third world economies.
some solution, eh?

[cale]

The money Al Gore has made off of his involvement with GW is peanuts compared to what is being made by foreign companies in Canada or around the world by people with huge capital who don't mind raping another countries land for their own profits. The tax payers are supposed to foot the bill for people from profits of those who are not even citizens, something is assbackwards when bullshit like that transpires. I can't say our government is not to blame though, Harper is a fucking joke. Our best hope in recent years for a solid candidate to lead a party to shaping a truly respectable country died only months ago. His election would have ended very poorly for me as I'm a military member, that didn't however stop me from voting NDP.

I don't know if anyone can legitimately say it was a solution, as the only solution is renewable resources. More so a means to put bad ju-ju on those who wished to carry on without consequences.

[herbivor]

ahhhh, you must mean fat al gore?

and, without getting into the details, kyoto would have slowed AGW (if its real) by less than 1* by 2100. not to mention killing hundreds of thousands in third world economies.
some solution, eh?

You're talking out of your ass again as usual. None of that is true.
Kyoto won't work nor will any other agreement because people's desires for short term gains will always win out over long term security. We can either pay for the consequence of pollution now or pay a lot more later. We will choose later. It's human nature I think.

[gwb72tii]

look herb, if you'd bother to educate yourself you'd look less far left and perhaps even rational.
kyoto would make permanent poverty in third world countries. no fossil fueled power generation, no social advancement.
paradoxically it leads to more carbon emissions (burning of wood for heat) and deforestation.

even smart lefties know kyoto is a fucking joke regarding controlling global temps. its social engineering at its worst.

this is too easy. here you go, and i quote;

Two billion people rarely or never have electricity for lights, refrigeration and cooking, water treatment plants, hospitals, schools, offices, shops and factories. Women and children are plagued with lung infections caused by wood and dung fires, and by acute intestinal diseases caused by tainted water and spoiled food. Up to ten million die from these causes every year.
But instead of helping destitute families get abundant, reliable, affordable electricity, Rainforest Action Network, Environmental Defense and other pressure groups block efforts to build coal and gas generating plants, because they would release greenhouse gases. They block hydroelectric and nuclear projects on equally questionable grounds.

Up to 95% of people in Sub-Saharan countries have no electricity, Al Gore personally uses more electricity in a week than 25 million Ugandans do in a year and agitators are telling Africans the biggest threat they face is hypothetical climate change.

Environmental Defense is poised to rake in millions from emissions trading credits, through its new alliance with Morgan Stanley, and an axis of anti-developers is telling the Third World: You can't have electricity. You can't have a modern, industrialized society. Your future is expensive, intermittent, insufficient renewable energy: a solar panel on your hut, to power a light bulb, radio, hot plate and tiny refrigerator and eventually a few wind turbines to electrify a school, clinic and minimal light manufacturing operations.
Such a future would perpetuate poverty, deprivation, misery and disease in Third World countries ensuring death tolls that would likely dwarf even the activists malaria record

http://www.cfact.org/a/1089/Forty-years-of-irresponsible-social-responsibility

[joshh]

So you're cheering for more pollution? You should visit China sometime. I think you'd like what they do there. No regulations and plenty of pollution.

No I just don't believe in letting your/a country go to shit when you have the resources to make things better for your people. Tit for tat.

[Pac1373]

Why would Canada hamstring itself with the restrictions of Kyoto hampering the national Economy in magnitudes I can only imagine as they relate to the energy sector?

trying to meet the targets would end up abruptly hurting the biggest drivers in the economies of the provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan and most of north eastern BC, directly, with huge impact spun off to every part of the country.

when the US, China and India the three largest producers of CO emissions in the world aren't playing by the same set of rules, it makes no sense to shoot our economy in the face for almost 0% net change globally.

also, Kyoto was drafted horribly, the government of the day (Liberal) that signed the agreement was in power for 6 years after they signed the accord and did almost 0 work to attempt to hit the targets, but now, the conservative MAJORITY government is to blame because they are dropping out of a flawed agreement nobody has actually tried to make happen, and that could not possibly be met with such a late start? political BS is all this is.

I am for not polluting our world to death. I am.

this IMHO was not any way to do it at all.

also, how does paying for a credit (License?) to produce more CO, actually HELP save our planet? we still produce the CO right?