will class warfare and envy re-elect obama?

[Kershaw]

if it goes down to between obama and ron paul, i'd vote ron paul. just to see where he takes the country.

but im fairly confident my vote will keep obama in office. :P

[gwb72tii]

no pres in history has been re-elected with the economy as it is or his approval numbers
polls say more than 50% definitely will not vote for the o-man

any of the republican candidates is better than obama, any
the man has been a disaster as a leader of the most powerful country in the world.
and i think it shows in his campaign to date, which is those evil 1% vs the 99%, which is the worst form of politics, envy

paradoxically obama is a shining example of america. mixed race, communist parents, and eventually elected to head the free world as pres.
and now others aspiring to be in the same 1% as obama are whats arong with america?
WTF?
when you see the "fat cat" in his rolls driving down the road, what you don't see is the 30years of working for low pay, plowing profits back into his business to support wages and grow the business, working 60 hour weeks for years to get to where he is tiday, in a rolls royce.
these are the people that are the root of whats wrong? somehow they are responsible for you not having a job? really?.........really?\

how about requiring obama to run on what he's accomplished, emphasize his record as commander in chief/pres, hype his political views for all to judge and then see if he gats enough votes.

one last question
how will demonizing the 1% create jobs?

[Ryan Stewart]

Even as a registered republican I can say today that Obama, barring some really weird mix up like the whole Dean thing, will be back in without trouble.

Despite the claims that evil corporations will give the right wingers billions of dollars he still holds the record for funds raised, Romney was the leader on the right and only has a 5th.

Romney/Hunstman are the only ones that have a hope in hell among independents but neither look to be on track for actually getting the chance. The far right cant accept a Mormon or a guy who actually plays ball with the opposition.

Ive been red for years primarily because I am a fiscal conservative and closed primaries meant I had to pick a side to get a vote in who represents that side. The far right has gained too much traction so now moderates are being drowned out.

Newt will probably ride the same wave that Clinton did. He was part of a great economic expansion (as if he or Clinton had a damned thing to do with it).

[Ryan Stewart]

Paul isn't electable because the scared, huddled masses are frightened by his foreign policy. And they aren't smart enough to understand why we need to get rid of the Federal Reserve bank.

Dont forget those of us who realize how moronic the idea of the gold standard really is.

[Dozyproductions]

Esplainz!

[herbivor]

no pres in history has been re-elected with the economy as it is or his approval numbers
polls say more than 50% definitely will not vote for the o-man

any of the republican candidates is better than obama, any
the man has been a disaster as a leader of the most powerful country in the world.
and i think it shows in his campaign to date, which is those evil 1% vs the 99%, which is the worst form of politics, envy

paradoxically obama is a shining example of america. mixed race, communist parents, and eventually elected to head the free world as pres.
and now others aspiring to be in the same 1% as obama are whats arong with america?
WTF?
when you see the "fat cat" in his rolls driving down the road, what you don't see is the 30years of working for low pay, plowing profits back into his business to support wages and grow the business, working 60 hour weeks for years to get to where he is tiday, in a rolls royce.
these are the people that are the root of whats wrong? somehow they are responsible for you not having a job? really?.........really?\

how about requiring obama to run on what he's accomplished, emphasize his record as commander in chief/pres, hype his political views for all to judge and then see if he gats enough votes.

one last question
how will demonizing the 1% create jobs?

Nice rant. Seriously man, you need to stop getting your "news" from conservative pundits. They just reinforce your own beliefs. That said, I think you feel about Obama the same way I did about Bush in 2003, I was shocked he got reelected. The democrats had a much stronger/ electable midterm group then the republicans do now. I think you are in for another disappointing 4 years.

[joshh]

To directly answer the question, I believe this election will be a very very close one and I think Obama will be edged out. But *only* if the economy stays in the funk it's been in.

[z31maniac]

Definitely, if the economy turns around.........or if the media starts reporting it differently Obama will be back.

[Wiglaf]

Josh, no matter how many statistics you come up with that make Obama look like a crap president, I still think that he looks like the best option. These GOP guys are such asshats, I can't even imagine putting one of them in charge.

Paul would get my vote. They're trying to play him off like he's a nut but he isn't threatening to make this into a religious state, and he's had the most sensible ideas of the lot.

[joshh]

Josh, no matter how many statistics you come up with that make Obama look like a crap president, I still think that he looks like the best option. These GOP guys are such asshats, I can't even imagine putting one of them in charge.

Paul would get my vote. They're trying to play him off like he's a nut but he isn't threatening to make this into a religious state, and he's had the most sensible ideas of the lot.

I don't agree that he's the best option but I can agree he is by far not the worst. The more I see Obama do what he's doing the more I see him an the A-typical politician about money and corporatism (I.E. the current GOP). I really thought he was a liberal for a very long time. I can't even give him credit for that now. Being a liberal is a step up from what Obama is.
But we just don't know what these other "asshats" actually bring to the table. And that's what's making a lot of people apprehensive to back them (GOP candidates). Because they all say shit we doubt is going to happen if they get into office.

Even I'm leaning to Paul...but as others have said some of what he wants to do is extreme.

[rwh11385]

Even as a registered republican I can say today that Obama, barring some really weird mix up like the whole Dean thing, will be back in without trouble.

Despite the claims that evil corporations will give the right wingers billions of dollars he still holds the record for funds raised, Romney was the leader on the right and only has a 5th.

Romney/Hunstman are the only ones that have a hope in hell among independents but neither look to be on track for actually getting the chance. The far right cant accept a Mormon or a guy who actually plays ball with the opposition.

Ive been red for years primarily because I am a fiscal conservative and closed primaries meant I had to pick a side to get a vote in who represents that side. The far right has gained too much traction so now moderates are being drowned out.

Newt will probably ride the same wave that Clinton did. He was part of a great economic expansion (as if he or Clinton had a damned thing to do with it).

Dont forget those of us who realize how moronic the idea of the gold standard really is.

Word for word what I've been thinking. I really have liked Mitt from long ago and still do. (Huntsman seems alright too) Most issues with him are that he is Mormon (which should not matter with separation of church and state) or that he "flip-flopped" from his moderate views to accepting ones that the party wants their candidate to have.

Unfortunately, as long as the two parties keep cultivating their people to hate the other side and only use 'bi-partisan' buzzwords in speech rather than action then they will just keep pointing fingers at each other and the American people will either be frustrated we can't elect better people or be so caught up with what CNN or Fox News tells them what to think.

Ron Paul says some good things sometimes, but is generally too batshit crazy for the general population to elect. He also is wigged out about 93% depreciation of the dollar, but really that's good over the time frame. Gold standard is moronic, no one really ought to follow the yellow brick road...

[z31maniac]

The Federal Reserve printing money like no there's no tomorrow and propping up banks around the world is somehow LESS batshit insane?

[rwh11385]

I guess people wanting to move to the gold standard is about as laughable as those who refer to the Federal Reserve "printing money".

[Ryan Stewart]

or that he "flip-flopped" from his moderate views to accepting ones that the party wants their candidate to have.

Personally at this point I would like someone who isnt a complete fuckhead to "say anything" just to get past the primaries. I would have LOVED Cain to basically flip back to the 2000 John that lost to Bush II right after winning the primary.

It would work too. Basically act all racist and Christian, win the primary and then go so moderate it hurts. Then turn to the base and go, "Fucking got you! Abortions for all and fags marry! What are you going to do, vote for a BLACK GUY?"

Then the party would be forced to see that you could succeed being a moderate.

[Dozyproductions]

I guess people wanting to move to the gold standard is about as laughable as those who refer to the Federal Reserve "printing money".

Definition of 'Federal Reserve Note':
The most accurate term used to describe the paper currency (dollar bills) circulated in the United States. These Federal Reserve Notes are printed by the U.S. Treasury at the instruction of the Federal Reserve member banks, who also act as the clearinghouse for local banks that need to increase or reduce their supply of cash on hand.

Im going to explain this, not to you, but to the people who don't know.

So of course it doesn't print money but it still acts as a 'government institution' that operates independently from congress over sight. So since the US is so keen on deficit spending, the Fed has the unlimited ability in buying our debt in which the treasury in turns prints as available money because they have to match whatever the FED holds in securities within their reserves.... BY PRINTING MONEY.

Notice how its a Federal Reserve Note? Federal reserve notes are the only designated 'currency' able to pay the government's debt back to the Fed. The kicker is that the Fed charges interest for holding our debt! So in turn we have to pay them extra in interest and we do this buy charging an income tax... hence the IRS. (Do you like the IRS?) But why all this to a supposed FEDERAL bank. Why do we have to pay usury for our own money? It's because it isn't our money. What we have now are all just debt receipts for the Fed, not American Dollars.

So lets look at inflation. First off, we use baseless money and in order to get out of debt we only create more. Thus encouraging inflation because of ever general growth in money supply.

1) It will make our exports more globally competitive with the devaluing dollar.
2) It will decrease the value of American Debt.

but it will:

1) decrease the purchasing power of the poor and middle classesdue to higher prices and stagnant wages!
2) make retirees suffer.

The main beneficiaries are the people who receive the 'new' money. You guessed it, they're the banks! They receive the money at extremely low interest rates and often times roll over their debt. Essentially we live in a system where we are monetizing debt. Look how well that helped Germany out after WWI? I don't want to use green useless money to wipe my ass just because it can no longer buy toilet paper. Monetizing debt as recklessly as we are doing assures the future full of hyper inflation once they money bubble bursts then everyone gets fucked.


So yes, the gold and perhaps silver standard would not allow most of this to happen and force more responsible fiscal policy.


Sorry for the peculiar wording. Im on adderol, studying since 8:00 AM (Pacific) and have had a lot of coffee.