MegaUpload shutdown US gov.

[cale]

Why do people get so butthurt when their access to pirated music and movies is cut off. I support the spirit of what the gov't and RIAA is trying to do. File sharing is supposed to be used for the exchange of media that was not created with the intent to turn a profit, not for copyright infringement.

True it IS stealing and it shouldn't be happening, but shutting down websites which don't 100% monitor or turn a blind eye to what is being streamed or hosted by their servers is bullshit when a lot of what they're doing is legit stuff. They're trying to circumnavigate due process, they want absolute control without an authority to answer to. They essentially want aboslute power to control what is and what cannot be posted online, fuck monoplizing the internet.

[Holland]

True it IS stealing and it shouldn't be happening, but shutting down websites which don't 100% monitor or turn a blind eye to what is being streamed or hosted by their servers is bullshit when a lot of what they're doing is legit stuff. They're trying to circumnavigate due process, they want absolute control without an authority to answer to. They essentially want aboslute power to control what is and what cannot be posted online, fuck monoplizing the internet.

Quoted for truth.

[z31maniac]

True it IS stealing and it shouldn't be happening, but shutting down websites which don't 100% monitor or turn a blind eye to what is being streamed or hosted by their servers is bullshit when a lot of what they're doing is legit stuff. They're trying to circumnavigate due process, they want absolute control without an authority to answer to. They essentially want aboslute power to control what is and what cannot be posted online, fuck monoplizing the internet.

I don't agree with either bill.

I'm just saying the big reason this has come about, is because the kiddies won't stop stealing.

[redsubdivisions]

z31maniac, I can understand where you are coming from, but a majority of internet users are going to be siding with the opposition of the SOPA bill.

[navid41691]

so his last name is dotcom?

[Ryan Stewart]

Pennsylvania, considered one of the most corrupt states in regards to food stamps, has something less than a 2% fraud rate. So less than 2% of people are wrongly on food stamps.

Sauce for numbers and definition of fraud? Because there is countless misuses outside of criminal fraud.

[z31maniac]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/12010/1202520-454-0.stm?cmpid=MOSTEMAILEDBOX

"They point to federal statistics that show that Pennsylvania has one of the lowest food-stamp fraud rates in America: one-tenth of 1 percent."

Sorry, I estimated WAY high.

[z31maniac]

z31maniac, I can understand where you are coming from, but a majority of internet users are going to be siding with the opposition of the SOPA bill.

I oppose the SOPA bill, just said that.

I'm saying these attempts to control the internet will continue as long as stealing users cost industries billions in lost revenue. The industries with big powerful lobbies.

[cale]

z31maniac, I can understand where you are coming from, but a majority of internet users are going to be siding with the opposition of the SOPA bill.

For selfish purposes.

People think nothing of downloading a movie, but wouldn't dare take something worth a few dollars directly from a store. They've become so accustomed to it so much so that it no longer registers as theft. I've done it too, if I see a move on tpb that I don't care to watch in bluray format I'll dl it. I'm stealing when I do that, I have no rights to that material.

I hope SOPA and PIPA get shut down because they're trying to rule with an iron fist through something that no one owns in its entirety. I'd just shrug my shoulders and say it was fun while it lasted if they could go after specific movies/music sources.

I'm saying these attempts to control the internet will continue as long as stealing users cost industries billions in lost revenue. The industries with big powerful lobbies.

QFT. It's been happening since VHS and cassette's hit the scene, they tried to ban VHS. This is just the most current and broad medium which the piracy has been occurring on and actually stands to do serious damage to those industries. They're fighting a beast they'll have a hard time reckoning with though. They underestimate what millions with the same goal can accomplish.

[redsubdivisions]

I read it wrong. Whoops.

[cale]

Been doing some more reading on SOPA/PIPA, it goes a lot deeper than I thought as far as attempts to control us. I know how tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist that sounds, but it's an unfortunate reality.

http://www.gamepolitics.com/2012/01/17/craigslist039s-sopa-pipa-fight-dig-monster-cable

That's right, companies want to be able to stop the sale of used merchandise. Now many of these articles speculate that it's in an effort to boost sales, others say it's to stop the grey market. Either way, it's just another attempt for big companies to police our actions and SOPA/PIPA would allow them to do this. Distrubing IMO.

[Wiglaf]

Why do people get so butthurt when their access to pirated music and movies is cut off. I support the spirit of what the gov't and RIAA is trying to do. File sharing is supposed to be used for the exchange of media that was not created with the intent to turn a profit, not for copyright infringement.

I'll tell you why: because the RIAA and MPAA have been at this bullshit for years. They treat us like criminals, meanwhile artists have to sue them just to get the money laid out in the contract. This has been going on since before the cassette tape got popular. I have not bought an album signed by a company that's part of the RIAA in the last ten years, and I will not until they modify their business model to recognize that the internet is a very good thing, not just something that exists to hurt their margins. The artists I like, I see in concert. I buy tshirts. This directly gives them more money than 10,000 CD sales would ever net, without funding RIAA. The days of re-buying the same album because a new format came out are OVER. They need to fucking get over themselves and realize that the magnitude of piracy is a direct result of their own ineptitude.
With movies I like to support my local theatre, which unfortunately has the side effect of supportiung the MPAA. But I don't have to buy DVD's. I can use netflix, which supports alternative new business models. I would be happier if I could somehow show support for something remotely innovative without money trickling back to the MPAA but I like movies and I hope they get a clue.
The music industry is making more money than ever, despite cries from the recording industry that the sky is falling. They are totally full of shit.

Here's the bottom line: Copyright only protects your name being on the work. You don't own the content, how it gets viewed, who gets to view it, etc. Once it's out in the wild, just fucking forget any sense of controlling it. It's NOT THEFT. It's sharing information.

[dinanm3atl]

True it IS stealing and it shouldn't be happening, but shutting down websites which don't 100% monitor or turn a blind eye to what is being streamed or hosted by their servers is bullshit when a lot of what they're doing is legit stuff. They're trying to circumnavigate due process, they want absolute control without an authority to answer to. They essentially want aboslute power to control what is and what cannot be posted online, fuck monoplizing the internet.

First off you have to monitor what you are hosting in all reality. A similar situation would be you own a warehouse and you allow people to store stuff. Oops there is cocaine in there. "I work from home" is not a valid excuse there.

Second in this situation there appears to be more going on here than just hosting of some copyrighted material. Cash/Money/Funding allegedly has been exchanged for copyrighted material. Now of course innocent until proven guilty I fully support but there might just be more going on here than hosting some files.

So long story short might want to hold out judgment until all evidence is placed on table. My initial reaction to this is 100% bullshit and I will stick to that opinion but do want the whole story.

z31maniac, I can understand where you are coming from, but a majority of internet users are going to be siding with the opposition of the SOPA bill.

And I do not support SOPA or PIPA because it truly is too wide stretching. Looking to garner huge control and power of the law. It's too broad in it's current form.

[joshh]

I oppose the SOPA bill, just said that.

I'm saying these attempts to control the internet will continue as long as stealing users cost industries billions in lost revenue. The industries with big powerful lobbies.

Truth.
People will justify their actions to the ends of the earth as long as they're on the beneficial end. Even when they know it's illegal. Usually it starts with, "they would make more money if it was free".

[scabzzzz]

I really like what this dude says... Its long winded, but fucking SPOT ON. I love AZN's

https://plus.google.com/113998757823214420296/posts/5uE2bD6PGqW