Thoughts on Abortion

[mrsleeve]

This is something the video touches on comparing it to the holocaust. He makes a very interesting point that it's our responsibility to stand up for those with no "voice."

Also, I'm am trying to figure out when life "starts"

yes well comparing a functioning human to a unborn child is not really the same thing now is it.


IMO Life starts when a child (if born pre-me) can suck wind on its own (in general) not to say that extreme measures to save a pre-me is wrong either that is up the parents as well

[mcruz121]

I do not consider myself a liberal at all but I'm with you on on the issue.

As far as rape and life threatening situations, that is a tough issue and hard to argue if you have never or will never be in that situation. I know my wife would choose the life of the baby over her own and I can't even try to think about how I would feel about that. I do know that if my wife were to be raped, we would both choose to raise the child.

interesting stats: 90% of babies who MIGHT have down syndrome are aborted, "one in 20 women will have a positive result - far more than those who eventually deliver a baby with a chromosomal abnormality. Most women who have a positive result from a screening test deliver healthy babies"

was this thread inspired by tosh.0 from last night?

Nope just saw 180 movie and it sparked something

[priapism]

I think when life begins is a religious decision, and congress shall make no law establishing religion.

[e30e]

Should be free and handed out no questions asked. Last thing this society needs is more dead beat parents, ignorant children, and welfare recipients.

[herbivor]

yes well comparing a functioning human to a unborn child is not really the same thing now is it.

IMO Life starts when a child (if born pre-me) can suck wind on its own

I think most NICU nurses would be pro-choice, or at least pro sterilization. From a purely scientific perspective, the parts of the brain that determines one's since of self or as some would consider "the soul" is not realized until a few weeks after birth. Before that time, the baby has no more since of self than does a skin cell. That being said, I'll have to agree with sleeve on this one (though it hurts my insides a little to do so.)

[gwb72tii]

after having children and watching them grow into adults, I can't imagine aborting a baby.
all life is precious and for me begins at conception.

[z31maniac]

This is a fucking car forum. Why are we discussing this?

That you're in the politics and religion section, now go eat a dick if you don't want to contribute.

[cale]

I think when life begins is a religious decision, and congress shall make no law establishing religion.

How so? I happen to believe life begins at conception and I'm a hardened agnostic swaying towards atheism, a view I share mostly with theists. It's in no way based on religious views, although for some it may be.

[mrsleeve]

I think most NICU nurses would be pro-choice, or at least pro sterilization. From a purely scientific perspective, the parts of the brain that determines one's since of self or as some would consider "the soul" is not realized until a few weeks after birth. Before that time, the baby has no more since of self than does a skin cell. That being said, I'll have to agree with sleeve on this one (though it hurts my insides a little to do so.)

Interesting perspective. One I dont disagree with either. As it was only a few decades back when those kinda of babies even those that were full term would not make it past a few hours or days. You know only the strong survive, natural selection type thing. Now if everything to save a baby is not done (and even if it is) everyone and everything involved will be sued into the stone age.....

We agree wow is there some kind of weird planetary alignment or something.... Oh and welcome to the dark side, your on a slippery slope now my friend......................

[tjts1]

About 30% of our population should have been aborted. It shouldn't just be allowed, it should be encouraged. Too many incompetent and irresponsible people are reproducing.

+1

I'm a strong believer in putting massive quantities of birth control of Mt Dew. We don't need those people reproducing.

I think when life begins is a religious decision, and congress shall make no law establishing religion.

This too.

[u3b3rg33k]

Legislatively pro-choice. The gov't has no business mandating this shit. Doesn't mean I have to think it's "good", but i won't be keying any cars over it.

i'd still rather not see a bunch of partial birth abortions because someone changed their mind at the last minute.

if you make it illegal, you just create prohibition, you don't actually stop the practice.

as for babies having souls, well, fuck that. prove that you have a soul without referencing the bible. that's another thread entirely. if humans were wired to easily accept the death of a baby, we probably wouldn't have any other instincts to protect offspring either.

watch a mother moose stand over her baby that's been hit by a car - the thing is toast, and she'll kill you if you get too close. Maybe moose have souls, too. hell (yes, i see the irony in my word choice), chickens will fight (or attempt to fight) to protect their young, and they're dumb as rocks.

I think when life begins is a religious decision, and congress shall make no law establishing religion.

Life sounds like when cells consume energy and multiply. so what? personal liberties shouldn't be squandered. if we have to do this under the cloak of religion, so be it.

[mrsleeve]

+1

I'm a strong believer in putting massive quantities of birth control of Mt Dew. We don't need those people reproducing.

This too.

big fan of Holdern and Margret Sanger then EUGENICS FTW


Fucking troll

[u3b3rg33k]

...only the strong survive, natural selection type thing. Now if everything to save a baby is not done (and even if it is) everyone and everything involved will be sued into the stone age...

I'm with you on that one. I'm quite pleased to not have been a physically defective model. Hormones and lawyers are an ugly combination.

[Vivek]

It should be the mother's choice. Think of all the miscarriages or potential babies tied up in a condom...it's no different with abortion.

[deutschman]

While I dont think woman should go get abortions willy nilly, I do believe the choice should be there. Imagine you got raped and had the rapists child. Not only would that be horrible for the mother but the child would never be loved and would grow up in a horrible environment and would be resented and despised.