Thoughts on Abortion

[Vivek]

did you really just compare conception to loads in condoms?
so you're saying every guy out there should stop masturbating too because of those 'potential babies'. wtf
you sir are extremely intelligent.:up:

I was waiting to get flamed. Let me explain myself:
So what if a baby was conceived? Am I potentially stopping a baby from entering this world every time I blow it into a condom instead of deep inside her? Yes.
Is that fundamentally any different from abortion? Not really.

[RUFFLZ]

I was waiting to get flamed. Let me explain myself:
So what if a baby was conceived? Am I potentially stopping a baby from entering this world every time I blow it into a condom instead of deep inside her? Yes.
Is that fundamentally any different from abortion? Not really.

We have to make the defining point of human life at conception.
Up until that point the cells possesses the potential to create a life, but are not actually "a life" in themselves. The ovum and sperm are each a product of another's body; unlike the fertilized egg, neither is an independent entity.
so it's like me cutting off a strand of my hair and throwing it away rather than donating it to a lab to potentially make a clone of me aka life.
so the answer to your question, blowing a load into a condom is indeed fundamentally different from abortion.

[Dozyproductions]

Interesting statement to throw out with there without any examples, care to share some?

Sure, two atomic bombs, vietnam, wars and political assignations that we are constantly involved in, sanctions against Iraq by the UN which the US supported... and the list goes on. Really?

If wayne brady got to kill a baby, then wayne brady got to kill a baby. Have a real moral compass if you want to argue against that.

[Turf1600]

The book freakonomics makes a really interesting point - crime dropped in the 90's due to Roe V Wade in 1973. Unwanted children are far more probable to fall into a life of crime. A generation of criminals got aborted and everyone benefited from it.

I think the US would go straight down the gutter if abortion was illegal.

[Dozyproductions]

The book freakonomics makes a really interesting point - crime dropped in the 90's due to Roe V Wade in 1973. Unwanted children are far more probable to fall into a life of crime. A generation of criminals got aborted and everyone benefited from it.

I think the US would go straight down the gutter if abortion was illegal.

Can we be friends?

[z31maniac]

The book freakonomics makes a really interesting point - crime dropped in the 90's due to Roe V Wade in 1973. Unwanted children are far more probable to fall into a life of crime. A generation of criminals got aborted and everyone benefited from it.

I think the US would go straight down the gutter if abortion was illegal.

There has also been a few research papers that show he was using flawed statistics and models to reach that conclusion.

Not arguing either way..........

http://www.isteve.com/freakonomics_fiasco.htm

[mar1t1me]

The book freakonomics makes a really interesting point - crime dropped in the 90's due to Roe V Wade in 1973. Unwanted children are far more probable to fall into a life of crime. A generation of criminals got aborted and everyone benefited from it.

I think the US would go straight down the gutter if abortion was illegal.

I am familiar with this book, and must agree with the premise that if morality is the way we want things to work, then economics is how it actually does work.

I have read a lot about this subject, and there is simply too strong a correlation shown in multiple examples in multiple cultures to dismiss Leavitt's work out-of-hand. Leavitt discusses some of these fairly thoroughly in his book.

Banning abortion leads to more unwanted children born to people who can't or won't care for them. These types of children are predisposed to crime. Sorry to the "every life is sacred" crowd, but that is a correlated fact and until we have very good safety nets in place for such children, then banning abortion, no matter how high-minded the appeal, is foolhardy at best.

Who do these GOP abortion hardliners think is going to swoop in and tend to these new millions? God? Interestingly, the #1 religious denomination seeking abortion services are, drumroll please:.......Catholics. There seems to be a mighty big disconnect between what the clergy says Catholics do and what they really do on their own.

[Dozyproductions]

There has also been a few research papers that show he was using flawed statistics and models to reach that conclusion.

Not arguing either way..........

http://www.isteve.com/freakonomics_fiasco.htm

I feel duped! We had to read his book for poli sci in high school when this was something he already admitted to!

[Wh33lhop]

I think anyone who has the audacity to try and force their personal beliefs on others should be retroactively aborted. We have enough mouth-breathing idiots that choose to raise kids as it is.

[joshh]

If my wife got pregnant, we wouldn't have one (even though neither of us want children, but have the means to take care of one), but I don't think I should have the right to disallow others.

However, I do disagree about life at conception.

It's hard to argue the "viability" aspect, since you aren't really self-sufficient until years after you are born.

So again you're trying to take any angle you can to challenge someone.

I don't believe in controlling people and what they want to do with abortion. But this has everything to do with personal responsibility. If you got your wife pregnant and don't make a change to prevent future pregnancy then that is clearly a lack of responsibility. Accidents happen. I can't control that but can dislike it all the same.
We have law because people are irresponsible.

[Vtec?lol]

#shitmygrandmasays "you won't have any issues as long as you don't go dipping your little wee wee into everything."

I say abortion is great. Especially in today's fucked up world. We have rape victims, whores, psycho's... The last thing we need is, well let me not say that.

[Deltron Dirty30]

#shitmygrandmasays "you won't have any issues as long as you don't go dipping your little wee wee into everything."

I say abortion is great. Especially in today's fucked up world. We have rape victims, whores, psycho's... The last thing we need is, well let me not say that.

lawyers?

[z31maniac]

So again you're trying to take any angle you can to challenge someone.

I don't believe in controlling people and what they want to do with abortion. But this has everything to do with personal responsibility. If you got your wife pregnant and don't make a change to prevent future pregnancy then that is clearly a lack of responsibility. Accidents happen. I can't control that but can dislike it all the same.
We have law because people are irresponsible.

No, my point was I don't consider it "life" until it can breath on it's own outside the womb. I agree with sleeve we should definitley do anything we can to help premies and the like.

But I know saying viable could be interpreted as being self-sufficient, which is well past being born breathing. Just saying without a consensus on when life begins, it's easy to make valid points in either direction.

I don't believe in controlling people either, hence my pro-choice vs anti-choice stance.

[redsubdivisions]

Pro-choice. why tell someone else what to do?

I feared being a father for the longest time and told myself I don't want kids and if I ever did, it would be in my 30's. Also figured that I would tell my girlfriend to get an abortion the minute she found out she was pregnant. My biggest fear was not being a selfish bastard anymore and parenthood was going to be the end of my life and I would be a parental drone for the rest of my life.

I just turned 24 and have a 2 month old daughter that I love like no other. Shit changes when it actually happens, especially when your woman tells you she is pregnant all the way up to seeing your child for the first time.

[Vivek]

We have to make the defining point of human life at conception.

That's basically largely your opinion.