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[Dozyproductions]

It's not a debate, they just spew misinformation that we get to sift through and correct. It's kinda like arguing with 9/11 truthers.

you're so close yet so far!

[Cliche Guevara]

you're so close yet so far!

Eh? You're not a truther, are you? A simple yes or no will suffice, I don't want to see this thread hijack by the most obnoxious argument ever.

[Kershaw]

but isnt genetic mutation the first step to adaptation?

the squirrel with the best genetic mutations to get acorns will live while the squirrel with the genetic mutation to not have claws will die out pretty fast.

evolution is not a conscious decision.

[mar1t1me]

Eh? You're not a truther, are you? A simple yes or no will suffice, I don't want to see this thread hijack by the most obnoxious argument ever.

Oooh! Let me answer!

In that I would like to hear the truth, and have learned through observation that the government of the US will pretty much never tell the truth about important things, I do not believe the "official" report.

And neither do many with scientific, and/or engineering backgrounds.

But the religious guys go for it without question. After all, they've spent years honing a belief in the "unbelievably unlikely" so gulping down the suppositions put forth in the official account was a piece of cake, and played right into their insecurities about religious struggle and persecution. These fears have been exploited to great effect as religious Americans happily give up many rights in order to be "protected" from they have have been convinced is the great unwashed evil of Islam.

[KenC]

but isnt genetic mutation the first step to adaptation?

the squirrel with the best genetic mutations to get acorns will live while the squirrel with the genetic mutation to not have claws will die out pretty fast.

evolution is not a conscious decision.

That's Darwin's definition of Natural Selection.

Most define evolution as macro evolution, which is the formation of new species from a common ancestor. "Descent with modification" is the best phrase for this phenomena.

The genetic mutation and modification in bacteria or other single-celled organisms can be definined as micro-evolution. I believe that most Creationists deny this happens on a macro scale over millennia... or that the symbiotic relationship developed between prokaryotes and eukaryotes could have possibly evolved into multicellular organisms (and eventually humans).

[Xat1cZ]

I love it when ppl argue about evolution and religion ..

imma just leave this here and leave -

[Farbin Kaiber]

I laugh at how simple evolutionists think creationists see things. Again, I point at the Gap Theory. Is it not possible to think that a creator has revised their creations? Or that a creator has worked on their project for millions or billions of years? Or that that creator has re-created its creations after epic events that caused extinction of said creations?

[KenC]

I laugh at how simple evolutionists think creationists see things. Again, I point at the Gap Theory. Is it not possible to think that a creator has revised their creations? Or that a creator has worked on their project for millions or billions of years? Or that that creator has re-created its creations after epic events that caused extinction of said creations?

Of course it's possible to think that. It's possible to have an opinion on anything. Lack of evidence is the "Achilles' Heel" of Creationist arguments, however.

Even Creationists don't give merit to "Gap Theory." It's an ill-fated attempt to grasp at any sort of legitimacy, and it won't be the last. People will come up with even more far-reaching "what-ifs" until all of our grandchildren are dead.

[Cliche Guevara]

I laugh at how simple evolutionists think creationists see things. Again, I point at the Gap Theory.

Don't call it a theory. It's an idea some creationist came up with in an attempt to reconcile his beliefs with reality.

Is it not possible to think that a creator has revised their creations? Or that a creator has worked on their project for millions or billions of years? Or that that creator has re-created its creations after epic events that caused extinction of said creations?

Any of that is possible, there's just no evidence for it. Creationism can never be a science because it is not falsifiable; there is no way to test for a creator.

[Farbin Kaiber]

^Shoot yourself. Test complete.


And...

Definition of THEORY

1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

2: abstract thought : speculation

3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>

4a : a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b : an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory <in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>

5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>

6a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

I'm pretty sure its a theory.

[Kershaw]

he was saying that just to denigrate the idea. #2 definitely applies.

i'd call it wild speculation though.

[KenC]

It isn't a credible theory as no evidence to suggest it exists.

One can postulate anything they want.

[Threehz]

KenC,

Evolution is the name for what happens when a favourable mutation helps a certain animal survive better than that same animal without that mutation. All genetic differences stem from mutation.

Talking about religion and other beliefs, I think they're really cool. I've always been a big fan of zombies, some people believe in vampires, and others believe in werewolves. I don't think there is any issue thinking about the idea that a conscious force created our universe and everything in it, pretty interesting.

Not only are their huge amounts of evidence pointing to the Theory of Evolution, but evolution is key to understanding just about everything in modern biology. Evolution is a key that unlocks the door to new discoveries, biological advancements and expanding our understanding of the natural world.

If we believe that a conscious force created the universe, and is continuously revising his or her or it's ideas, where does that leave us to move forward? Do we just say fuck everything, shit's in the hands of something else, let's party?

You know what would happen if a large amount of the world's population believed that the world was created by a conscious being and under it's influence?

Our planet and society would be in the shit state it's in right now.

[KenC]

KenC,

Evolution is the name for what happens when a favourable mutation helps a certain animal survive better than that same animal without that mutation. All genetic differences stem from mutation.

That's the definition of Natural Selection.


I LOL'd at the last comment of your post haha

[cale]

I laugh at how simple evolutionists think creationists see things. Again, I point at the Gap Theory. Is it not possible to think that a creator has revised their creations? Or that a creator has worked on their project for millions or billions of years? Or that that creator has re-created its creations after epic events that caused extinction of said creations?

So a creator reviews and revises his creations at random times, up until today for what purpose...because past revisions required the modification of more species? Sounds like he fucked up once and is cleaning up his mistakes, it makes perfect sense!

You know what makes more sense? The natural processes that modern science has provided us with. Yes there are gaps, creationists have jumped on those and attempted to utilize them to discredit the scientific process with the proposal of supernatural explanations.