Health Care Law Massacred in Supreme Court

[gwb72tii]

Exactly. Which is why it's utterly absurd to suggest that you have a reasonable option to opt out.

Either you don't work, or you make all your money in capital gains. Those are not, to most people, reasonable options.

you're right, not reasonable
but nobody is required to work

[Kershaw]

i blame the republicans for massacring the idea in the first place. half of america shot itself in the foot and then shot the other half in the foot as well.

universal healthcare is an ideal we should strive for. do it like the britains or germans.

[KenC]

i blame the republicans for massacring the idea in the first place. half of america shot itself in the foot and then shot the other half in the foot as well.

universal healthcare is an ideal we should strive for. do it like the britains or germans.

Those two systems are way different. Germany has a far superior care delivery and coverage system.

[Vedubin01]

i blame the republicans for massacring the idea in the first place. half of america shot itself in the foot and then shot the other half in the foot as well.

universal healthcare is an ideal we should strive for. do it like the britains or germans.

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[Bimmerista]

universal healthcare is an ideal we should strive for. do it like the britains or germans.

I agree wholeheartedly, but that idea is far too advanced for the average dumb American.

I work in the healthcare industry & I can say that healthcare in this country is one of the biggest scams any man will encounter.

[mrsleeve]

I am currently sitting at clevland clinc with famliy. My mil is going in for full on open heart/valve replacment in the morning. We all live 2200 miles away, she has decent hc coverage and works for a hospital. Under 0/universal care I don't see her being able to do things this way..................

I don't claim our system is perfect. But it is one of the best

[KenC]

Universal care describes a system in which all citizens have some sort of health coverage. It doesn't imply socialized medicine, or even one that's government run. Germany has no govt run plan, and they have universal coverage.

The Cleveland Clinic is a fantastic hospital. There's some comfort knowing that a valve replacement is routine for them.

The US has amazing physicians and technology, however, our care is delivered (overall/nationally) very inefficiently.

[mrsleeve]

Yes the. Rep clevland has is one of the deceiding factors for why.

And really considering the fact no one can be turned away for care here we have a universal system then. Right................

[jrobie79]

what's being debated isnt a question of the efficiency or delivery of care, its if the GOVT has the power to force people to join it (we know how efficient govt run programs are)... which they dont. the only way to change that is a constitutional amendment

i agree there could definitely be reforms, but not by the coercion of govt. liberty is the absence of coercion

[mrsleeve]

For the record. I agree with you man

[z31maniac]

The US has amazing physicians and technology, however, our care is delivered (overall/nationally) very inefficiently.

How do we balance our drive for innovation (profit) with the ability to provide coverage for all? (legit question, not being a smartass)

I agree with universal coverage, it's just that Obamacare did nothing to help control the spiraling costs, or make people somewhat responsible for their own care. Basically, I agree with the idea, not the way it was implemented. I far more like things like HSA's, so much in fact, I'm enrolled in one myself.

Health insurance should be for unexpected expenses, ie, you get very sick/cancer/broken limbs, etc.

[Kershaw]

I don't claim our system is perfect. But it is one of the best

no. it's not.

that's like claiming the yugo was one of the best cars made because it had 4 wheels.

responsible for your own care? everyone pays into it with taxes. everyone uses it. it's like public roads. those are a pretty good idea too. do i have my own personal section of rt. 95 that i have to take care of?

[z31maniac]

no. it's not.

responsible for your own care? everyone pays into it with taxes. everyone uses it.

Would you be for punishing people who make poor decisions, ie alcoholics, fatties, etc and having them pay more, since they use more of the resources?

[KenC]

I agree wholeheartedly, but that idea is far too advanced for the average dumb American.

I work in the healthcare industry & I can say that healthcare in this country is one of the biggest scams any man will encounter.

What do you do?

I disagree about the scam comment. The general populace has unrealistic expectations of medicine's capabilities. Physicians utilize invasive and complex procedures at a far lower rate than others.

[KenC]

How do we balance our drive for innovation (profit) with the ability to provide coverage for all? (legit question, not being a smartass)

I agree with universal coverage, it's just that Obamacare did nothing to help control the spiraling costs, or make people somewhat responsible for their own care. Basically, I agree with the idea, not the way it was implemented. I far more like things like HSA's, so much in fact, I'm enrolled in one myself.

Health insurance should be for unexpected expenses, ie, you get very sick/cancer/broken limbs, etc.

Healthcare will always be more expensive here. We really do finance technological innovations for the rest of the world. The other countries benefit by picking and choosing what to implement and utilize. The US has no system of evaluating efficacy of treatments or technologies. We just pay for it regardless of the "value" it provides.
It's important to note, however, that the vast majority of medical advancements are not driven by profit. Most are made by academic physicians and PhDs doing years of grueling research. Nobody endures the education and lifestyle for financial means... it's just not worth it. The profit made by discoveries is merely a bonus.
Our plethora of "advanced" technology isn't directly correlated to a healthier populace either. On a side note, most US physicians are far too eager to order diagnostic imaging when evidence indicates that it's minimally helpful. It's even estimated that ~2% of cancer in the US is a result of radiation from imaging.

To address the last comment about insurance, the biggest problem is that most people can't afford routine preventive care. Until procedures such as sigmoidoscopies, and hell even office visits with full lab panels are cheap enough for the average citizen to afford, these will need to be supplemented by some sort of insurance coverage. People will put things off until their ailments are at near catostrophic levels and require 10x the care that it would have initially. This is the same issue with the bare bones plans that the under-insured population has.