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  • herbivor
    E30 Fanatic
    • Apr 2009
    • 1420

    #1

    The French Election

    Looks like the Socialist candidate beat the conservative. This should make for something interesting to watch, provided he does everything he says he's going to do.
    French voters chose Socialist Francois Hollande as their new president Sunday in a race that will have implications for Europe's debt crisis, the Afghanistan war and global diplomacy.

    DIPLOMACY
    Hollande is a diplomatic unknown who will set a five-year course for his nuclear-armed country with a permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council. Sarkozy is arguably the most America-friendly French leader in a half-century. He has aligned with Washington on Iran and Syria, upped France's military presence in Afghanistan and took a major role in NATO's air campaign over Libya that helped oust dictator Moammar Gadhafi. Hollande wants to bring French troops home from Afghanistan early and might be less vigorous in flexing military or diplomatic muscle abroad.
    TAXES
    Hollande wants the very rich to pay 75 percent in income taxes and plans to hike taxes on companies that distribute profits to shareholders instead of investing in their business. Sarkozy had pledged to reduce France's overall tax burden, among the highest in Europe, but promised a higher sales tax.
    IMMIGRATION
    Sarkozy wanted to halve the number of legal immigrants who enter France each year to 100,000 and to tighten border controls. Hollande would give residency to illegal immigrants on a case-by-case basis. The immigration debate has gotten tangled with a debate about Islamic customs in strongly secular France, home to at least 5 million Muslims.
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  • iamsam
    Advanced Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 173

    #2
    who the F follows what's going on in France??

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    • herbivor
      E30 Fanatic
      • Apr 2009
      • 1420

      #3
      Originally posted by iamcreepingdeath
      who the F follows what's going on in France??
      I suppose everyone else except 'Merica...usually the case.
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      • Dozyproductions
        R3V Elite
        • Jan 2007
        • 4682

        #4
        None of it will happen and 75% income tax? Why the hate ;)?

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        • nickpro
          E30 Addict
          • Nov 2010
          • 406

          #5
          It'll definitely be interesting to see where he takes the country. From what I've seen, he is a very relaxed person, unlike sarkozy. I'm sure Carla Bruni will now divorce Sarkozy :o

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          • iamsam
            Advanced Member
            • Jun 2008
            • 173

            #6
            Originally posted by herbivor
            I suppose everyone else except 'Merica...usually the case.
            :nice:

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            • Kershaw
              R3V OG
              • Feb 2010
              • 11822

              #7
              he's a socialist. he's gotta be bad news!

              DAMN SOCIALISM!
              AWD > RWD

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              • gwb72tii
                No R3VLimiter
                • Nov 2005
                • 3864

                #8
                Originally posted by Kershaw
                he's a socialist. he's gotta be bad news!

                DAMN SOCIALISM!
                true enough.
                the people have voted,,and they voted to continue with the welfare state as is even though france can't pay for it.
                as did greece over the weekend.
                not a lot of good news coming our of europe.
                “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
                Sir Winston Churchill

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                • herbivor
                  E30 Fanatic
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 1420

                  #9
                  Originally posted by gwb72tii
                  true enough.
                  the people have voted,,and they voted to continue with the welfare state as is even though france can't pay for it.
                  as did greece over the weekend.
                  not a lot of good news coming our of europe.
                  England is kicking PM Cameron in the nuts right now too. I think they are going through the same motions we went through in 2008. The economy worsened under the conservative establishment , so give something else a try. We'll have to see if a more left leaning leadership in Europe will improve things.
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                  • gwb72tii
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 3864

                    #10
                    Originally posted by herbivor
                    England is kicking PM Cameron in the nuts right now too. I think they are going through the same motions we went through in 2008. The economy worsened under the conservative establishment , so give something else a try. We'll have to see if a more left leaning leadership in Europe will improve things.
                    true, the voters don't like pain so they vote hollande in. lol, let's resume the path we were on even tho its leads to ruin.
                    a 10% unemployment rate is the new normal, which is where europe has been for a long time..
                    the youth is going to revolt, there's no jobs and no opportunity.
                    here's some respective youth unemployment rates, and they're all rising
                    bulgaria 32.8%
                    portugal 36.1%
                    denmark 15.1%
                    ireland 30.3%
                    cyprus 28.8%
                    hungary 28.8%
                    netherlands 9.3%
                    poland 25.7%
                    slovenia 16.5%
                    and spain is close to 50%

                    waiting for a rebuttal fron rwh and his charts
                    “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
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                    • joshh
                      R3V OG
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 6195

                      #11
                      "Austerity can no longer be something that is inevitable," he said, apparently undercutting the belt-tightening that his predecessor and German Chancellor Angela Merkel have urged on European countries beset by debt.

                      Yep, this will get worse for France.
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                      • tjts1
                        E30 Mastermind
                        • May 2007
                        • 1851

                        #12
                        Originally posted by gwb72tii
                        true, the voters don't like pain so they vote hollande in. lol, let's resume the path we were on even tho its leads to ruin.
                        a 10% unemployment rate is the new normal, which is where europe has been for a long time..
                        the youth is going to revolt, there's no jobs and no opportunity.
                        here's some respective youth unemployment rates, and they're all rising
                        bulgaria 32.8%
                        portugal 36.1%
                        denmark 15.1%
                        ireland 30.3%
                        cyprus 28.8%
                        hungary 28.8%
                        netherlands 9.3%
                        poland 25.7%
                        slovenia 16.5%
                        and spain is close to 50%

                        waiting for a rebuttal fron rwh and his charts
                        If there was a god he wouldn't create a person as terminally stupid as you.
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                        • herbivor
                          E30 Fanatic
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 1420

                          #13
                          Originally posted by tjts1
                          If there was a god he wouldn't create a person as terminally stupid as you.
                          http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10803205
                          I think he did say youth unemployment rates to help make his point. But yes, overall unemployment is nowhere near youth unemployment rates, and I don't think it ever has or will be.
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                          • gwb72tii
                            No R3VLimiter
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 3864

                            #14
                            Originally posted by herbivor
                            I think he did say youth unemployment rates to help make his point. But yes, overall unemployment is nowhere near youth unemployment rates, and I don't think it ever has or will be.
                            yes, and its amazing how one word can change a sentence eh?
                            LMFAO
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                            Sir Winston Churchill

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