Is there a god?

[Kvasi]

Im just trying to help you guys out, if you dont want a free gift thats your own thing. Good luck

You sir, need a cat-scan :loco:

[cale]

You are looking for a date, there isn't one, it's a time that is 'when'. It takes a complex series of events to bring about the 'time'.

Keep sitting on that porch convinced he's coming..

edit ~ I'll add more to this other than instigating an argument. I can completely understand the intellectual argument of the universe necessitating a creative force, and by a stretch..an intelligent one. Whether or not I agree with it is beside the point, I simply accept why people steer towards it. I will not however concede that thinking you are privy to intimate knowledge about that creator is at all rational or that you are not a lemming for hoping on the bandwagon. We both must accept that man is fallible, this cannot be argued. So why is it that you so strongly believe that your particular story of god is the right one? It's plain knowledge that people adopt the religious views most commonly shared in their part of the world, and almost always that of their parents, we're products of that which surrounds us. So tell me, what is it that so strongly tells you that your god is irrefutable the correct one and the stories associated with other gods are incorrect?

[Cliche Guevara]

So tell me, what is it that so strongly tells you that your god is irrefutable the correct one and the stories associated with other gods are incorrect?

Confirmation bias.

[Kvasi]

On second thougt, yes there is.
And guess who made it

[yeaseth]

You sir, need a cat-scan :loco:

I just might


but


atleast I have a bigger willy!

[Farbin Kaiber]

So tell me, what is it that so strongly tells you that your god is irrefutable the correct one and the stories associated with other gods are incorrect?

When Did I say other "Gods" were incorrect? The bible says "many flocks have I", which I interpret to mean that he could be all the "Gods" and tend to each flock differently. I don't assume to know which God is right and which God is wrong, only that my God is the right one for me.

When you look at a concept in the 3 dimensional world you understand, and try to make everything work logically within that framework, you are not open to think that maybe things are totally different in a 4 dimensional world that you cannot understand, think cavemen looking at shadows on a wall, cast by a torch at the mouth of the cave.

[Exodus_2pt0]

On second thougt, yes there is.
And guess who made it

:up:

[cale]

When you look at a concept in the 3 dimensional world you understand, and try to make everything work logically within that framework, you are not open to think that maybe things are totally different in a 4 dimensional world that you cannot understand, think cavemen looking at shadows on a wall, cast by a torch at the mouth of the cave.

Sure, but please explain how you jump from a potential deity to intimate knowledge of a personal one? The leaps one must take from rationalizing the potentiality of a god to accepting scripture as accurate depictions of a known god are monumental. It is far more likely that given how many different interpretations of god there are, and how many people feel their god is the only true god, that you are all wrong and there is another universal explanation for the questions we seek.

When Did I say other "Gods" were incorrect? The bible says "many flocks have I", which I interpret to mean that he could be all the "Gods" and tend to each flock differently. I don't assume to know which God is right and which God is wrong, only that my God is the right one for me.

Do you not believe that your god is the correct one, why do you put your faith in the way yours is depicted? If you do not have an absolute belief that yours is the only true one, why do you believe at all? Your god is the right one for you because you've been raised as such, it is presented in a format that is convenient and provides you what you need. That doesn't validate the the belief in it's existent or make it any more real though. I can have faith in all sorts of things because they're "right for me", that doesn't make that faith any more valid though.

This isn't a debate about what works for you, this is a debate about what is real. As soon as you bring faith into the equation you've essentially forfeited by acknowledging you don't need to prove your deities existence.

[Fourbanger]

When Did I say other "Gods" were incorrect? The bible says "many flocks have I", which I interpret to mean that he could be all the "Gods" and tend to each flock differently. I don't assume to know which God is right and which God is wrong, only that my God is the right one for me.

So you believe in the same God who commands the beheading of those who commit apostasy, then. Cool. You'd think if it really was the same God he'd at least have his flocks get along with one another rather than slaughter each other.

[Farbin Kaiber]

It's not "potential" in my life. You have not lived my life, nor have I lived yours, you can't assume to know how my life has gone to show me He does exist, just as I cannot assume to know ho your life has been to know He does not.

I cannot explain it in a way you understand, I cannot even verbalize it in a way that would make sense to you, that does not make it any less real for me, and it's not my duty to get you to understand, it's my duty to have my relationship.

I'm not here to understand and tell you how to love and have a relationship with your girlfriend or boyfriend, that's your thing. I'm here doing my thing, loving mine. That's what you are not understanding, just because someone is single by choice, I don't have to quantify to them why I love my soon-to-be wife, or to explain how it's normal to me.

[Farbin Kaiber]

So you believe in the same God who commands the beheading of those who commit apostasy, then. Cool. You'd think if it really was the same God he'd at least have his flocks get along with one another rather than slaughter each other.

You obviously haven't seen all the fuct up shit he does/has done. Think of your parents, just because they love you with all their heart, and would do anything for you, doesn't mean they wont punish your ass in a hot second if they feel you've done something they either told you not to do, or didn't give you permission to do.

Doesn't mean they love you less, or not at all while you are sitting in your room, in the corner, grounded for two weeks because you creeped out the window at one AM to go smoke pot in the park with some friends.

[Fourbanger]

Those infants totally deserve to die of dysentery. Little fuckers were born into sin.

I have a problem with a supposedly omnipotent, all-loving God allowing needless suffering so we can "get closer to Him" or "learn a lesson" or whatever. Especially when He created sin in the first place.

[herbivor]

You obviously haven't seen all the fuct up shit he does/has done. Think of your parents, just because they love you with all their heart, and would do anything for you, doesn't mean they wont punish your ass in a hot second if they feel you've done something they either told you not to do, or didn't give you permission to do.

Doesn't mean they love you less, or not at all while you are sitting in your room, in the corner, grounded for two weeks because you creeped out the window at one AM to go smoke pot in the park with some friends.

If my parents did to me half the fucked up shit God has done to his followers, I wouldn't love them at all. I would probably be a basket case having to go to therapy every week while medicating myself as much as possible to numb my fucked up mind from all of the horrific images and experiences it went through.
I think the Bible provides the best case for NOT wanting to follow that God. Even if you do believe, your an idiot to want to obey the kind of God depicted in the Bible. There are over 3900 deities you can choose to worship. The one from the Bible is not the one I would choose. That dude is an asshole.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Those infants totally deserve to die of dysentery. Little fuckers were born into sin.

I have a problem with a supposedly omnipotent, all-loving God allowing needless suffering so we can "get closer to Him" or "learn a lesson" or whatever. Especially when He created sin in the first place.

Everyone "was born into sin". Everyone is a "sinner". Who said he is "all-loving"? The Bible speaks of "Grace and Peace" being given from him, translated, that means unmerited favor, and cessation of againstness. That means something you can't earn, and no longer in battle, or at war with.

It's not about getting closer, or being more like. It's about trusting a plan larger than oneself, regardless of what the world (A place the Devil has power in/on/of) shows/says/implies.

He isn't looking for perfection, he is looking for trust. It's the one thing he cannot create, and that's where the "free-will" concept is rooted.

[Farbin Kaiber]

If my parents did to me half the fucked up shit God has done to his followers, I wouldn't love them at all. I would probably be a basket case having to go to therapy every week while medicating myself as much as possible to numb my fucked up mind from all of the horrific images and experiences it went through.
I think the Bible provides the best case for NOT wanting to follow that God. Even if you do believe, your an idiot to want to obey the kind of God depicted in the Bible. There are over 3900 deities you can choose to worship. The one from the Bible is not the one I would choose. That dude is an asshole.

What if your parents did half the amazing things God has done to his followers, you'd like love them with more than a bottomless pit could contain. You would probably be a rooted, and centered individual, with an understanding of something larger than yourself or everything you understand. You would be thankful and have an open mind from all the amazing images and experiences you'd gone through.

You'd think the Bible provides the best case for wanting to follow that God. You'd be happy to have a relationship with the kind of God depicted in the bible. There are 3900 deities you could choose from to worship. The one from the Bible is the one you would want to choose. That dude rules in a way that dependent on what side of him you are, could be an asshole, or could be the most amazing power in control of not only the pieces on the gameboard, but the board, the table, and the room the game is being played in as well.