Is there a god?

[Fourbanger]

Why was man born into sin, exactly? Because Adam and Eve ate an apple before creating the human population through incest?

It was the sister who taught my religious ed class from first to eighth grade who would tell us that God is all-loving. But I guess she doesn't know shit. Kind of shows how everyone takes the Bible and turns it into whatever makes them feel good. Even within the same sect it's hardly the one true answer that people like to tout it as. The Bible is open to waaaay too much interpretation to be taken anything close to literally.

My parents have done plenty of amazing things for me. God, on the other hand, has done nothing for me that can't be attributed to my own actions, someone else's, chance, etc. But if I believed I suppose I would attribute all of the positives in my life to Him and praise His glory. And if my life was shit then I'd justify it by saying it was God's plan and that I'll find eternal bliss in heaven. Foolproof.

[cale]

It's not "potential" in my life.

Wanting something with all your heart doesn't make it exist anymore, god is a potentiality. You can argue that all you want, but please develop your own language with new definitions so you can alter those ones to fit your ideals. You do not know a god exists, you attribute occurrences which can be explained by other means as his work. I realize I'm talking to a brick wall when I state this, but a brick wall you are.

I cannot explain it in a way you understand, I cannot even verbalize it in a way that would make sense to you, that does not make it any less real for me, and it's not my duty to get you to understand, it's my duty to have my relationship.

I have love for my parents, but it doesn't make love any more real in terms of something I could ever hold in my hands...it's something which only occurs in our minds as does your god. As such it is foolish to attribute the existence of actual matter to the work of an entity who resides solely in our conciousness.

That's what you are not understanding, just because someone is single by choice, I don't have to quantify to them why I love my soon-to-be wife, or to explain how it's normal to me.

Argue that I don't understand all you'd like, equating a relationship with someone sitting in from of me is worlds appart from one where one of the two individuals has never materialized in reality but simply in your mind. Similarly to your god, I'd find it rather psychotic if you told me you have a deep and meaningful relation with the monster in your closet.

What if your parents did half the amazing things God has done to his followers

To propose this you first must prove that those things you credit to god are actually his work, you cannot do that. So please kindly delete the rest of your argument.

Is that porch getting any less lonely yet?

[Exodus_2pt0]

Wheres Rufflz?



Seriously though, this has been a good read.

[Kershaw]

[tttoon]

Here's what god did to some people I knew:

They were both brought up catholic. They worshipped god multiple times a week. They fell in love, and the woman got pregnant. Because their society was built on "god's values" they were living in sin by having pre-marriage sex. So they got rid of the baby out of fear of their family, friends and god. Then they got married, were married for 15 years, and kept living a devout life, despite having guilt issues over the abortion. Then, within 4 years of each other, they died of identical cancer (pancreas). I guess that is the punishment god reserves for abortions.

The sooner we get rid of this farce the better. Religion or a god concept does no good to people. People should take responsibility for their own actions, and moral values will naturally continue to exist. We don't need to have that organised and we don't need people to tell other people how to live based on a ~1500 year old fantasy omnibus.

[z31maniac]

Yep, the Golden Rule pretty much handles it all.

[MR E30 325is]

Oh me, oh my.

I am going to sit this one out, though I do want to thank Farbin for posting the god is imaginery dot com website, it offered me plenty of ideas to present to my co workers and to my fellow man, who suffer from the disease of religion and god.

Arguing with someone who is deeply intertwined in their religion is pointless. They fail to accept or even try to comprehend any of the proof you present.

"When someone utters the word 'god', you should reply with "god is imaginery".

[Farbin Kaiber]

Oh me, oh my.

I am going to sit this one out, though I do want to thank Farbin for posting the god is imaginery dot com website, it offered me plenty of ideas to present to my co workers and to my fellow man, who suffer from the disease of religion and god.

Arguing with someone who is deeply intertwined in their religion is pointless. They fail to accept or even try to comprehend any of the proof you present.

"When someone utters the word 'god', you should reply with "god is imaginery".

Thanks. I'm glad I could help you fight the good fight of non-belief.

[Robotin]

no

[Kershaw]

Thanks. I'm glad I could help you fight the good fight of non-belief.

that is not the good fight. that's the fight of holding onto ignorance and dogma.

[Farbin Kaiber]

So being against religion is the "bad fight"?

[Kershaw]

[FunfGan]

lol at people still believing getting ride of religion will end all violence/ religion is the root of violence. The base of all religions are a worldview; your beliefs, thoughts, ideas, opinions, etc. But don't these all exist outside of religion anyway? You still have differing beliefs and ideas, which will still lead to violence.

[z31maniac]

lol at people still believing getting ride of religion will end all violence/ religion is the root of violence. The base of all religions are a worldview; your beliefs, thoughts, ideas, opinions, etc. But don't these all exist outside of religion anyway? You still have differing beliefs and ideas, which will still lead to violence.

My ONLY problem with religion, is those who follow it wanting to impose their lifestyle choices on myself and others.

Stop doing that and I couldn't care less.

[cale]

lol at people still believing getting ride of religion will end all violence/ religion is the root of violence. The base of all religions are a worldview; your beliefs, thoughts, ideas, opinions, etc. But don't these all exist outside of religion anyway? You still have differing beliefs and ideas, which will still lead to violence.

Who here is claiming that removing religion would rid all violence? I don't think anyone here would be so bold as to think that. I think it would remove a lot of conflict though, as well as many other issues. Even when religion keeps primitive societies peaceful (to a degree), it enables them to behave in ways not exactly beneficial to them. Condom's in Africa is a perfect example of this.

"With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. "

I think this sums it up quite well. Religion is an enabling force, it allows people to justify things that without religion probably would not be so easy to swallow. Theists will make the claim that atheism does the same, but criminals who are atheist aren't so because they do not fear persecution from god, they simply do not care about others. They then spin this into "well perhaps with god they wouldn't have done those terrible things", which is absolute bullshit. How many religious people actually hold back doing morally unacceptable things for fear of gods punishment? The Global Peace Index shows us that in fact nations with higher percentages of atheists top the list with more theist populated nations residing at the bottom. Whether or not theists are more violent is another debate all together that has to be looked at country by country, but the stats seem to side with atheists being slightly more peaceful. All I'm saying is that theism is not shown to make people more peaceful, and isn't that one of the major goals of religion?