Chick-fil-a

[FunfGan]

Did hooning occur in deserted parking lot after pic was taken?

[Cliche Guevara]

Having met various people who said they willingly changed orientation, yes. Yes I am. Is it always? Not necessarily. I completely believe people can be born attracted to the opposite sex. Just as we disagree on what cars we find cool, or good looking. What does having a choice have anything to do with anything?

Choice vs nature is everything. I have no interest defending the lifestyle of someone who chooses to act a certain way. Science says that isn't the case with homosexuality, however. The brain stucture of gay men actually resembles that of a straight woman, and visa-versa with lesbians. Surely there are a few people who chose to have sexual relations with the same sex, but this study shows that they do not make up a large portion of the homosexual population and that homosexuality is rooted in the actual makeup of the brain, supporting the thesis that it is not a choice.

As I said, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to get out of me by asking that question.

I was trying to nail down exactly what you were getting at, it was a bit vague. I like to clarify the arguments of people I disagree with in order to avoid accidental straw men.

[FunfGan]

I was trying to nail down exactly what you were getting at, it was a bit vague. I like to clarify the arguments of people I disagree with in order to avoid accidental straw men.

Fair enough. Didn't mean to sound snappy.

I totally see eye to eye with you, with the fact that you don't want to defend some one's willful actions, as compared to that of someone who was born with a "unique/ strange/ damaged/ abnormal" brain make up. And see, while I agree with that, I see it in the same light as I would another person with a similar issue in the way the brain is contracted, i.e. a serial killer, sadistic teenager, strongly depressed individual etc etc. In that, while it is something they cannot necessarily help, it is still something that I find morally, naturally and fundamentally wrong. And in the same way that the aforementioned groups of people need help and counseling, so too, I believe do those "born" gay. Again, that is my opinion, and not something I plan to, or want to force onto to somebody. I understand others viewpoints, and their world views. And I totally understand that you or anyone else may find it disgusting that I find gays/ lesbians wrong, especially the right to marriage, but that is simply my opinion.


Edit: My apologies if something/ many things in that don't make sense, it's 4am here, forgive me hahah.

[Cliche Guevara]

And see, while I agree with that, I see it in the same light as I would another person with a similar issue in the way the brain is contracted, i.e. a serial killer, sadistic teenager, strongly depressed individual etc etc. In that, while it is something they cannot necessarily help, it is still something that I find morally, naturally and fundamentally wrong.

Edit: My apologies if something/ many things in that don't make sense, it's 4am here, forgive me hahah.

No worries. I'll let you get a good night's sleep and then see if you still stand by this assertion.

[rwh11385]

Fair enough. Didn't mean to sound snappy.

I totally see eye to eye with you, with the fact that you don't want to defend some one's willful actions, as compared to that of someone who was born with a "unique/ strange/ damaged/ abnormal" brain make up. And see, while I agree with that, I see it in the same light as I would another person with a similar issue in the way the brain is contracted, i.e. a serial killer, sadistic teenager, strongly depressed individual etc etc. In that, while it is something they cannot necessarily help, it is still something that I find morally, naturally and fundamentally wrong. And in the same way that the aforementioned groups of people need help and counseling, so too, I believe do those "born" gay. Again, that is my opinion, and not something I plan to, or want to force onto to somebody. I understand others viewpoints, and their world views. And I totally understand that you or anyone else may find it disgusting that I find gays/ lesbians wrong, especially the right to marriage, but that is simply my opinion.


Edit: My apologies if something/ many things in that don't make sense, it's 4am here, forgive me hahah.

So, are you saying that being gay is like being a sadistic serial killer?

Seriously, I'm disgusted by your complete lack of respect and am more than a little sad for you.



Whoever talked about schools... Schools teach values like respect and integrity and fairness... It is only those who are brought up without the ability to see past racial, gender, or orientation differences who would miss out on those principles should include GLBT as well. Just like when we used to consider that only white property-owning men were created equal, and then former slaves were 3/5ths of a white man, and then women were also equal... I believe all humans should be treated fairly and experience equality.

[rwh11385]

;)


Just saying, comparing this to the laws of segregation and marriage of earlier years is such a unrelated shot in the dark. That was a misconception, a vulgar idea that crept into the minds of a nation, and as we see now, there are/ were no issues with interracial marrying. That's obvious. But this? It doesn't work. Forget God, god, gods, mormans, Christians, whatever, and look to nature. It doesn't even make sense there. If everyone had been "born" gay? There would be no people around today. No, before somebody calls me a bigot or anything else, I do not agree with the hating of/ protesting/ name calling and what ever else of gays. That's not how you approach it, and you don't try to cram your ideals down their throats( ).

How is it unrelated exactly? The vulgar idea that crept into the minds of the nation is that men who love men are somehow less human than the rest since some people's religion said so. (And not even all Christian's, just the crazier ones - mainline protestants are pretty chill and accepting of all people)

We're going to be 20 years down the line and even hateful ignorant people like you will be able to see there are no issues with same sex marriages either. Why doesn't it work? Because a baby isn't going to be made? What about old people marrying? You're allowed to marry your first cousin in some states after 51... are those not marriages either? No, they are... and the state allows it since the likelihood of offspring are slim.

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[Farbin Kaiber]

Lul.

[Wh33lhop]

Really? Their food seemed outstanding for fast food. Chicken was not greasy and was real cuts of chicken unlike McD. I honestly enjoyed their food and I never eat fast food.

They are not god's gift to fast food, they just have decent chicken and good sauces.

I am also a Christian but I believe they are Mormons or something. I think it is outstanding in this shock proof world we have now, that they still stand up for their beliefs.

Yes, I'm glad the religious can finally stand up for their traditional beliefs and oppose progress. They have been oppressed for so long!

They can stand fast in their beliefs, sure. I am glad we have the freedom to do these things. I can also stand fast in mine by not giving them my money.

Don't like it don't eat there, go drown yourself in Oreos or whatever gay pride supporting thing you wish to back. Not calling you out as homosexual supporter.

I think it's funny you think I would be offended by that. It says a lot, really.

This will not hurt the Company at all, they could pull out of Boston and still pound out insane profits.

You seem to be missing a lot of things here so I will bring you up to speed.

1. Losing one customer will not hurt the company at all, no. But a few thousand customers or more will. Now what difference would it make if every one of those customers figured they couldn't make a dent because they were just one person? I didn't make a difference when I voted, either. I'm just one vote, right? Why should I vote at all then?
2. It is not just about hurting or attacking the company. It's about knowingly giving my money towards a cause that is actively holding the world back as a whole and I strongly disagree with on just about every level. Yeah I'm sure it's just a few cents tops that I am actually giving to that cause by eating there, but it is still my money and I'm not going to willingly donate it to bigotry. It is not necessarily about the outcome as much as it is about the principle.
3. The fact that the food's good does not justify me supporting their cause, just like the fact that R Kelly should not be let off from pissing on an underage girl just because he produces good music (covered pretty well in an episode of the Boondocks). It is a small sacrifice that I make in an attempt to retain my moral congruence.

[FunfGan]

So, are you saying that being gay is like being a sadistic serial killer?

Seriously, I'm disgusted by your complete lack of respect and am more than a little sad for you.

In the sense that both are born with a messed up brain structure? Yes. Yes I am. I believe Cliche said so himself(not my view, that they are born with different brain structure than the average person). How is that a lack of respect? It's an observational fact in that both have different brain structures.

[Wh33lhop]

Jesus christ.

[FunfGan]

What?

[FunfGan]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

[z31maniac]

In the sense that both are born with a messed up brain structure? Yes. Yes I am. I believe Cliche said so himself(not my view, that they are born with different brain structure than the average person). How is that a lack of respect? It's an observational fact in that both have different brain structures.

This explains your wheel choice.

[ethrtyiS]

what is a teacher's job? perhaps teaching about historical bigotry and discrimination, and then perhaps to educate young minds about how things change for the better of those minority groups as society drops the hatred and progresses towards equality and respect for all?

a teacher's job is supposed to educate the students with books and tools that they have acquired from their own personal experience on the subject. that does not mean bring in their own views on religion, politics, or anything else irrelevant from the topic being taught. books teach that stuff, which is why most educate about people such as hitler, stalin, martin luther king jr, etc.

It is a teacher's job to ensure that their students are not harassed. Part of that is preventing harassment based on sexual orientation. Surely you aren't suggesting that teachers should sit back while kids make fun of the gay kid or the kid with the gay parents, or that there actually is something wrong with being gay? I'm not trying to read something into your post that you don't mean, but that's what I'm getting out of it.

absolutely, but the teacher has no right in convincing students about their own personal believes. obviously if someone is being harassed, that is a different story but a teach should keep their believes and political views out of the damn classroom.