When CCW saves peoples lives thread.

[Vedubin01]

25 years minimum for grand theft

Florida

"In general, any property taken that carries a value of more than $300 can be considered grand theft in certain circumstances



Good luck with that, you just filled every prison in the country for 25 years! Your plan rocks! Einhander for President!

[einhander]

Hey, look at that...another thing we disagree on. Like I said, the eye for an eye way of justice is fraught with pitfalls as is your solution. I'd like to see states draw their own conclusions instead of nothing happening at all due to a completely ineffective national government.

Well...keep dreaming in ineffective policy land then.

At least with my solution you're keeping violent criminals off the streets. That's enough to put a dent in crime rates in most places.

[ParsedOut]

Okay, Mullah Parsies. Let's make society as bad as the criminals.

Not only does your recipe not work (see studies referenced earlier), but it de-evolves the rest of society to a darker past.

What we should do is keep non-violent offenders and drug users out of prisons and use the extra space and saved funds to enhance sentences: 40 year minimum for rape, 25 years minimum for grand theft, 20 years minimum for insider trading, life sentence for murder.

We don't need to turn into Afghanistan.

Hey, look at that...another thing we disagree on. Like I said, the eye for an eye way of justice is fraught with pitfalls as is your solution. I'd like to see states draw their own conclusions instead of nothing happening at all due to a completely ineffective national government.

[mrsleeve]

I love you Farbin LOL


NO homo

[einhander]

I'm well aware of the 8th amendment, thank you very much. I guess it's crazy of me to call to question the validity of an amendment, especially in our current state of affairs. All of the millions of dollars being spent to attack the 2nd without addressing the root of the issue. Criminals are not afraid of our lenient punishments, in fact many of them find the accommodations better and easier than life in the real world. So I'll still stand by my assertion that if the penalty for rape is castration (or worse) and the penalty for 1st degree murder is the death, we'd have less of it. As for people not thinking about the consequences...well if these punishments are made very clear from an early age, people would be forced to contemplate their actions wouldn't they?

Okay, Mullah Parsies. Let's make society as bad as the criminals.

Not only does your recipe not work (see studies referenced earlier), but it de-evolves the rest of society to a darker past.

What we should do is keep non-violent offenders and drug users out of prisons and use the extra space and saved funds to enhance sentences: 40 year minimum for rape, 25 years minimum for grand theft, 20 years minimum for insider trading, life sentence for murder.

We don't need to turn into Afghanistan.

[smooth]

They won't be forced to think about them if there isn't much chance of being caught or if they've been abused as children, are chemically dependent, or suffering from mental illness then it doesn't matter how rational the punishment is to the crime because they can't think rationally.


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[ParsedOut]

For someone with such a hard-on for the Constitution, you again demonstrate your total ignorance of it with your Taliban-like call for punishments like that.

And your gut is no way to make policy, thank God.

I'm well aware of the 8th amendment, thank you very much. I guess it's crazy of me to call to question the validity of an amendment, especially in our current state of affairs. All of the millions of dollars being spent to attack the 2nd without addressing the root of the issue. Criminals are not afraid of our lenient punishments, in fact many of them find the accommodations better and easier than life in the real world. So I'll still stand by my assertion that if the penalty for rape is castration (or worse) and the penalty for 1st degree murder is the death, we'd have less of it. As for people not thinking about the consequences...well if these punishments are made very clear from an early age, people would be forced to contemplate their actions wouldn't they?

[Farbin Kaiber]

I'm not being prejudiced against prisoners.


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Lets just stop this derogatory terminology right now, our society has no room for this kind of blatant disrespect, this is deplorable and they are not pris*ners, they are incarcerated individuals.

[smooth]

Is this an opinion like above, or can you provide links? Sounds like you are being prejudiced against incarcerated individuals.

I'm not being prejudiced against prisoners.


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[Farbin Kaiber]

Worse, the majority of people behind bars either have severe mental illness or serious drug addiction

Is this an opinion like above, or can you provide links? Sounds like you are being prejudiced against incarcerated individuals.

[einhander]

I will in NO WAY condone these actions, but I will say that extreme punishments for breaking laws WILL have an effect in keeping people from doing stupid things. The whole cutting a hand off if caught stealing would be a much bigger deterrent than a few months of room and board and learning from more seasoned criminals how to get away with it next time or who to talk to in order to get an illegal firearm to be used for the next robbery.

For someone with such a hard-on for the Constitution, you again demonstrate your total ignorance of it with your Taliban-like call for punishments like that.

And your gut is no way to make policy, thank God.

[smooth]

One of many problems with making punishment already more punitive in this country is the idea that criminal behavior follows rational thinking, when it does not. Most crimes are without much thought and people don't believe they'll be caught. Worse, the majority of people behind bars either have severe mental illness or serious drug addiction. If you want to reduce crime well need more front end solutions instead of trying to make the tail end more harsh. It's already more than sufficiently harsh, but most crime isn't reported and most criminals don't get caught even when it is reported. When we catch someone and he goes before a court he's going to do time and more time than other countries like us and for more crimes than other countries punish for in the first place. A number of studies exist demonstrating that more prison and harsher conditions ends up creating more crime and more violent crimes committed overall. Corporal punishment isn't an option so no use bellyaching about not being able to chop some hands off--not that those kinds of policies would work well anyway because we'd end up with a million handless people drawing on welfare and disability. It's not like we can simply send them off to die in a desert...unless that's another of your policy recommendations.


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[cale]

Sorry dick, didn't realize we had preface every time an opinion is made. Would you feel better if I added IMO in front of those bolded words?

You didn't realize that speaking in absolutes meant you were trying to convey something as fact? Apology accepted, dick.

[ParsedOut]

umm...

Not sheriff cereal, or just retarded.

Sorry dick, didn't realize we had preface every time an opinion is made. Would you feel better if I added IMO in front of those bolded words?

[ParsedOut]

I don't think you actually read that summary if that's what you took away from it.

I did read it, and I guess my wording was misleading. My point was that the article was circled around longer sentences as a form of punishment and that they don't deter violent criminals.