That evil costco

[ethrtyiS]

hey, show me another place who can beat a drink and a dog for that price! ;)

[Dozyproductions]

clearing that for the hipsters ;)

[Vedubin01]

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[z31maniac]

There's a very important distinction between a policy that is socialistic and one that is merely government intervention. For one thing, everyone here supports all sorts of government intervention, it just depends on the details of the particular policy. Two, "socialism" is an economic system while "government intervention" is an incredibly vague term that applies to a wide variety of things. Is it so unreasonable for me to demand that words retain their meaning?

No, you've got me on that one.

I'm with that Obama isn't a Socialist even though he advances some Socialistic policies. If you look at the totality of his agenda, he's really a Fascist. Granted he isn't a dictator, but things like the explosion in the number of Executive Order's vs using Congress is an example of how we pushes his agenda.

[CoreyZ]

I usually stay out of political threads, but I'll bite.

let me continue then... obama has added over $5 trillion to the national debt in only three years (primarily to buy votes) in the form of stimulus, green energy “investment,” entitlements, food stamps, supporting illegal immigrants, free cell phones, and "free" healthcare. that debt overwhelms the system and cripples the economy. he is enslaving our children and grandchildren to big government and big taxes for years to come. does this not sound familiar? he is busy overwhelming the system right now. socialism is assured when a majority of citizens become dependent on big government and are “bribed” to keep voting for the candidates that promise to keep the goodies and bribes coming. this also sounds familiar.

Obama did not sign the stimulus package into law. Someone else did. The cell phone program - you might want to research its origins, details, and purpose. You also might want to have a look at what tax rates have been in this country, historically.

or, government can just pass so many new rules and regulations that it’s impossible to do business anymore, thereby wiping out small business, jobs, and the u.s. economy. for all intents and purposes, we become slaves and our master is the epa or national labor relations board. with business failing, we all become dependent on government jobs or entitlements to put food on the table. sound familiar?

Please reread that over multiple times. Why would someone in a position of power want to wipe out the economy of this country? How would we become slaves to the EPA? What laws have been enacted that even hint at massive nationalization in this country? What evidence do you have to support these claims?

obama has enacted 60,000 new rules in only three years. a private company by the name of boeing was stopped by obama’s nlrb from opening a plant in a non-union state. this sure sounds like government control over the economy to me.

Did you follow up on this, and read how it was concluded?

socialism is about government control.

I believe the word you're looking for here is Fascism, or Authoritarianism.

it doesn’t have to be a direct takeover. government can bail out wall street, banks, mortgage providers like fannie mae & freddie mac, insurance giants like aig, and automakers like gm & chrysler. the result is government control through intimidation and coercion. soon government is trying to demand student loans be forgiven, contraception be provided for free, people who don’t pay their mortgages be allowed to stay in their homes, and electric cars be manufactured, even if no one wants them. does this also sound familiar? socialists also violate private property rights. obama did that when he stole gm and chrysler from its investors and shareholders and awarded ownership to his auto union buddies. he’s doing it again by demanding private insurers provide free contraception.

Providing contraception cuts healthcare costs. What's more expensive - the pill, or a pregnancy?

Also, you seem to take your options as a male for contraception for granted. We can go into a walgreens and grab reliable contraception for relatively little expense. The pill is not, IIRC, available over the counter. It also has other medical uses besides birth control. I don't see how it's such a big deal, unless you think like Rush that your tax dollars are subsidizing women having sex.

socialists discredit the opposition. for example, obama had homeland security put out directives to law enforcement declaring libertarians, sonservatives, and tea partiers as possible domestic terrorists.

I can say with 100% certainty you never read the report. I just read it, and I suggest you read it again.

socialists take away civil rights. obama extended and expanded the patriot act to listen to our calls and emails without warrants. he signed legislation to allow for indefinite detention of u.s. citizens without charges, and,

I hate that shit, but it has nothing to do with socialism.

his obamacare bill allows for the creation of a civilian defense force on u.s. soil that answers to…guess who? the president.

Red herring

socialists also want to control and censor the media. obama supports the fairness doctrine,

He opposes it, actually.

which would cripple conservative talk radio. meanwhile his bailout of newspapers and ge, parent of nbc, cnbc and msnbc, allows government to manipulate and intimidate the media; and of course obama has hollywood under his thumb.

Source for the newspaper bailout? And how does he have "Hollywood under his thumb"?

sorry but yes, obama is definitely a socialist. but he’s a stealth socialist. he believes in achieving his goals slowly, subtly. he believes in hiding and disguising his intentions. he believes in incremental success. he‘s smarter than any socialist we’ve ever seen. he understands you can’t destroy america by making it clear your intent is to destroy america. and you can’t be re-elected if voters can clearly see that you are a socialist. so what do you do? you bob and weave, lie and deceive…put on a $2500 suit and silk tie…smile at all times…kiss babies and hug middle americans…play with your dog bo…trot out your two sweet daughters…and talk about “fairness” a hundred times a day.

four years ago obama slipped up and said “i just want to spread the wealth around.” just a couple months ago he slipped up again, when an open microphone caught him telling the russian president to just be patient. “i’ve an election to win then i’ll have more flexibility.” this is the obama plan. a second term so he can finish off what he started. make 12 million illegal immigrants, disproportionate recipients of government programs all into voting citizens. ban all oil drilling and watch gas soar to unimagined heights. ban gun ownership. raise taxes to levels that will destroy entrepreneurship and starve his political opposition. make unions the most powerful force in the economy. intimidate big business into supporting his agenda. silence conservative talk radio. give our military secrets to the russians. without having to ever face another election, obama is free to be the real obama for the first time.

At this point, you're grasping for straws, and projecting your own beliefs without any hard evidence to support your accusations. Which is why Cliche stopped responding to you.

yourself, liberals, obama defenders, and even socialists are right about one thing... obama is no ordinary socialist. obama is a hybrid. he is a socialist/marxist/fascist/and corporatist all rolled into one. and that, my friends, is the deadliest breed america has ever seen.

I don't see how you can be a socialist and a corporatist at the same time.

[gwb72tii]

IObama did not sign the stimulus package into law. Someone else did.

you want to research this a little better and get back to us?

[CoreyZ]

you want to research this a little better and get back to us?

Bush signed the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008 and the TARP. Obama signed the American Recovery and Investment Act into law.