waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles Riot - government vs religion

[Thizzelle]

was this not about Russia?

[Q5Quint]

A feminist punk rock group called "waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles Riot".

I am gently surprised at the lack of sandwich and hairy armpit comments.


*insert generic life of brian quote:

Judith: [on Stan's desire to be a mother] Here! I've got an idea: Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb - which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans' - but that he can have the *right* to have babies.
Francis: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother... sister, sorry.
Reg: What's the *point*?
Francis: What?
Reg: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies, when he can't have babies?
Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Reg: It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.

[cale]

Religious delusion has real world consequences such as denying gays the right to marry and denying women the right to decide what to do with their own bodies.

There are people who oppose those things other than religious groups.

[gwb72tii]

Maybe they should consult with Bush since he has seen Putins soul.

touche

not a bad comeback from you
even some humor lol

[LBJefferies]

There are people who oppose those things other than religious groups.

Yeah but fundies do it from the top of a soap box.

[gwb72tii]

And there should be. Religious delusion has real world consequences such as denying gays the right to marry and denying women the right to decide what to do with their own bodies. Furthermore, the government is VERY SPECIFICALLY non-religious. For politicians, such as those running for President, to openly admit that religion influences their political life, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

oh come on, you can't possibly belive what you just posted
how can it be unconstitutional h0lmes?

[LBJefferies]

oh come on, you can't possibly belive what you just posted
how can it be unconstitutional h0lmes?

Because the separation of church and state forbids the influence of religion in government.

[gwb72tii]

no, it does not
re-read the constitution's bill of rights

quote
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

plus religion had a huge influence on the founding fathers' ideas

[e30e]

no, it does not
re-read the constitution's bill of rights

quote
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

plus religion had a huge influence on the founding fathers' ideas

More than half of the founding fathers were atheists or deists; they also strongly feared religious power influencing politics and government. Hell tommy jefferson even quoted in a treaty that the formation of the united states was not to be a christian country but a country of freedom.

Keep spouting out religious bullshit and false history that Christians keep spreading hoping that their lies become "america history".

[gwb72tii]

i'm not religious
but it is true religion, specifically christianity, had a big influence on their thinkings
i'm not saying that it is good, frankly i don't care, but it is history

[Kershaw]

plus religion had a huge influence on the founding fathers' ideas

that's absolutely true. religion had such a profound effect on them they decided to separate it from the government.

[gwb72tii]

that's absolutely true. religion had such a profound effect on them they decided to separate it from the government.

having an influence and essentially separating religion and govt are two different things

[LBJefferies]

having an influence and essentially separating religion and govt are two different things

The Founding Fathers were as much religious as I am. By many standards, I am considered Christian because of where I was born and who my ancestors are. But through my own logical discourse, I have come to the conclusion that I am NOT CHRISTIAN. The same can be said of the Founding Fathers. They were not in any sense religious beyond the condition in which they were born. In fact, they were VERY MUCH non-religious people. They were VERY CLEAR about this and considerable evidence of such can be found through their writings and actions within the government. Many of them labeled themselves as Deists, which is really the 18th Century equivalent of Atheist as it completely rejects any sense of religion. And Thomas Jefferson even went as far as to create his own Bible by removing Jesus's miracles and claims of divinity and adding things from other books.



"I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life I absented myself from Christian assemblies."

"The way to see by Faith is to shut the eye of Reason."

"Revealed religion has no weight with me."

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."

-Ben Franklin



"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

- Thomas Jefferson



AND PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUOTE OF THEM ALL NEXT TO THE FIRST AMENDMENT. This is from the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by Congress and John Adams.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

[BraveUlysses]

Your religion sucks if you need the government to enforce God's rules.

[z31maniac]

Your religion sucks if you need the government to enforce God's rules.

I'm looking at you Egypt.