As far as I can tell it is what he most proud of in his first term. This Is what I have read about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient...dable_Care_Act
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1. cbo just estimated the cost doubled, from 985 billion to 1.85 trillion
2. there is an unelected panel of 15 that will determine who gets covered and what procedures you're eligible for. i.e. if you're past 70, forget about things like hip replacements
3. if you're young, you're premiums are going to skyrocket because discrimination is outlawed because of age. older people pay less, younger more, even tho something close to 80% of healthcare goes to older people
4. it takes your freedom away“There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
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Basically everyone that works has to pay more so poor lazy people without insurance can get it for free.
And if you don't have insurance you have to pay a fine. Unless of course you're below a certain income level. That really encourages people to do well and contribute for society.
So someone like me that has no insurance but actually pays for doctor, dentist, whatever visits and pays out of my pocket will have to pay a fine for having no insurance. I don't make a lot of money but I live responsibly and within my means. But I will have to pay that penalty since I make more than that max income level (I forget what it is but it's really low)
Why should people like me be penalized? I'm paying what I owe. Why should I have to pay for someone else?Zinno '89 <24v swap in progress>
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If you thought health care was expensive before 0 care..... just wait till "its free"and this obamanation of legslation is in full effectLast edited by mrsleeve; 08-28-2012, 06:09 AM.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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Originally posted by VinniE30 View PostBasically everyone that works has to pay more so poor lazy people without insurance can get it for free.
That's how it is these days. Even my ex gf's pretty liberal parents hate Obamacare.
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The big issue is, like the Iraq war, it was sold on a bed of bull. They said this would eliminate the uninsured, well now HHS and CBO agree that its only going to reduce the uninsured by less than 40%. Then they claimed it would reduce the deficit. Well now, given optimistic estimates by the CBO, its going to reduce it less than $200bil on a decade. However, that is again based on optimistic estimation of revenue and expenses, the CBO admits that it may have no positive impact on the deficit.
And the BIG selling point was that it was going to impact the cost curve of healthcare spending. That we had an inefficient system that was just getting more expensive and the ACA would solve that. Well now they are admitting that it wont do anything.
They had do do this because if they had said, "Listen, we are going to raise everyone's premiums 13%, increase the deficit, it wont stop costs going up and it will only reduce the (effectively voluntarily) uninsured by half" then more than 34 House dems and a few Senate dems would have voted against it.Im now E30less.
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7. like every other government run program, it will cost more and do less than promised
8. it's passage was the fullfillment a demcrat wetdream going back to FDR
9. it will guarantee fewer doctors more patients, meaning longer waits, lower quality service“There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
Sir Winston Churchill
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Originally posted by Kershaw View Postit takes you'rf reedom aay it 'takes you'fre freesom away it' takes your feesdom awAZy
tha'ts wall you nmedd to know.,Originally posted by Kershaw View PostReading the wiki is going to be far more informative than reading to the opinions posted here.Originally posted by cale View PostI also hear it's unconstitutional, contrary to Judeo-Christian principles and borderline communist. The founder fathers would be displeased.Originally posted by CorvallisBMW View Post10. it rapes babies and sodomizes your grandpa. While making you watch.
Why can't you guys just admit that it dramatically underestimated the cost and by the CBO's own account won't cover nearly as many people as promised.
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