No one talking about the highest paid teachers in the country on strike?

[Thizzelle]

My lazy fat friend wants to be a professor, why? Because it's fucking easy work, you teach one ciriculum and just keep repeating it every 4 months. You get a shit load of vacation and every holiday off. All you have to do is just rearrange the test questions or change 1 number on a problem and wala a different test each year. Don't know about younger because you have to teach it all not just 1 topic that is specialized in your field.

[Thizzelle]

Also you work more than 8 hours a day as a teacher because you have to grade your students shit that they call homework. Now if they didn't give homework out it would be so much easier on them.

[nando]

My lazy fat friend wants to be a professor, why? Because it's fucking easy work, you teach one ciriculum and just keep repeating it every 4 months. You get a shit load of vacation and every holiday off. All you have to do is just rearrange the test questions or change 1 number on a problem and wala a different test each year. Don't know about younger because you have to teach it all not just 1 topic that is specialized in your field.

and grade tests, homework, deal with stupid people who think they should get an A when they miss half the assignments, don't show up for class, and fail tests..

it's easy to teach badly, it's not easy to do it well.

I taught 1 class and probably spent 4x as much time grading etc. than I did in the classroom.

[chadthestampede]

Teachers consistently have the lowest entry scores to college and GPA's while in college. This notion that the "cream of the crop" is educating America's youth is laughable.

Should we pay them as much as Computer programmers and Engineers, when based on some of the news stories I've read, most of them aren't even capable of speaking proper English?

I'm all for paying teachers more........................as soon as we dramatically raise the standards for becoming a teacher.

I partially agree with this. Roughly 1/3 of the class I graduated with (maybe 5 people) I would never let teach my hypothetical children, no matter how imaginary they are.

I think part of the problem is that it's so hard to teach people to teach. I'm not sure it's really something that can be learned. In my experience you can either teach or you can't, and any sort of education just goes towards perfecting that skill. Some people just can't teach. At all.

That's not to say that the teacher education curriculum is fine and that some people are just poor teachers. While it may be hard to teach to teach, it's even harder when you're taking 500 level classes that involve making musical slide shows, listening to people talk about how racist people were to them as a child, and watching clips from Grey's Anatomy (all of these things happened to me in various classes). Add it all up and it becomes about as edifying as a r3v conversation with Kershaw or gwb, which is to say not at all.

What ends up happening is that you have to find your own way to teach that works for you and the kids, and may not include the time you made a video about The Mighty Ducks in EDU 563 (also happened).

The problem is that teaching well is hard, and a lot of people are lazy. This is also an issue because you don't student teach until well into the last year of your teacher education (at least in NY), and you don't know what teaching is really like until you do. I think that traps some people into teaching (it's too late to do anything else) and they may lack the devotion needed to be a 'good' teacher.

Ideally I think we should do what some other countries do and essentially apprentice teaching students to teachers that meet a certain standard right away, so we can weed out the riff-raff.

On the other hand, kids now are pretty fucking outrageous with what they think they can or have the right to do, and parents are generally pretty apathetic or support their kids the whole way. Plus the union blows ass and most teachers with tenure are so burnt out they don't give a shit. I have more to say but this makes me angry and I'm tired.

and grade tests, homework, deal with stupid people who think they should get an A when they miss half the assignments, don't show up for class, and fail tests..

it's easy to teach badly, it's not easy to do it well.

I taught 1 class and probably spent 4x as much time grading etc. than I did in the classroom.

Also this. I teach SAT/ACT prep and for every 2 hour session I probably do at least that much in prep that I don't get paid for.

[z31maniac]

I partially agree with this. Roughly 1/3 of the class I graduated with (maybe 5 people) I would never let teach my hypothetical children, no matter how imaginary they are.

I think part of the problem is that it's so hard to teach people to teach. I'm not sure it's really something that can be learned. In my experience you can either teach or you can't, and any sort of education just goes towards perfecting that skill. Some people just can't teach. At all.

That's not to say that the teacher education curriculum is fine and that some people are just poor teachers. While it may be hard to teach to teach, it's even harder when you're taking 500 level classes that involve making musical slide shows, listening to people talk about how racist people were to them as a child, and watching clips from Grey's Anatomy (all of these things happened to me in various classes). Add it all up and it becomes about as edifying as a r3v conversation with Kershaw or gwb, which is to say not at all.

What ends up happening is that you have to find your own way to teach that works for you and the kids, and may not include the time you made a video about The Mighty Ducks in EDU 563 (also happened).

The problem is that teaching well is hard, and a lot of people are lazy. This is also an issue because you don't student teach until well into the last year of your teacher education (at least in NY), and you don't know what teaching is really like until you do. I think that traps some people into teaching (it's too late to do anything else) and they may lack the devotion needed to be a 'good' teacher.

Ideally I think we should do what some other countries do and essentially apprentice teaching students to teachers that meet a certain standard right away, so we can weed out the riff-raff.

On the other hand, kids now are pretty fucking outrageous with what they think they can or have the right to do, and parents are generally pretty apathetic or support their kids the whole way. Plus the union blows ass and most teachers with tenure are so burnt out they don't give a shit. I have more to say but this makes me angry and I'm tired.

If I'm ever up your way, or you down here, I would like to buy you a beer or 10.

[Vedubin01]

I partially agree with this. Roughly 1/3 of the class I graduated with (maybe 5 people) I would never let teach my hypothetical children, no matter how imaginary they are.

I think part of the problem is that it's so hard to teach people to teach. I'm not sure it's really something that can be learned. In my experience you can either teach or you can't, and any sort of education just goes towards perfecting that skill. Some people just can't teach. At all.

That's not to say that the teacher education curriculum is fine and that some people are just poor teachers. While it may be hard to teach to teach, it's even harder when you're taking 500 level classes that involve making musical slide shows, listening to people talk about how racist people were to them as a child, and watching clips from Grey's Anatomy (all of these things happened to me in various classes). Add it all up and it becomes about as edifying as a r3v conversation with Kershaw or gwb, which is to say not at all.

What ends up happening is that you have to find your own way to teach that works for you and the kids, and may not include the time you made a video about The Mighty Ducks in EDU 563 (also happened).

The problem is that teaching well is hard, and a lot of people are lazy. This is also an issue because you don't student teach until well into the last year of your teacher education (at least in NY), and you don't know what teaching is really like until you do. I think that traps some people into teaching (it's too late to do anything else) and they may lack the devotion needed to be a 'good' teacher.

Ideally I think we should do what some other countries do and essentially apprentice teaching students to teachers that meet a certain standard right away, so we can weed out the riff-raff.

On the other hand, kids now are pretty fucking outrageous with what they think they can or have the right to do, and parents are generally pretty apathetic or support their kids the whole way. Plus the union blows ass and most teachers with tenure are so burnt out they don't give a shit. I have more to say but this makes me angry and I'm tired.

I currently own a little school here in FL and I could not agree with you more. The hardest part is finding qualified people that can teach. You either do have it or you dont. It is truly a gift to teach.

[chadthestampede]

If I'm ever up your way, or you down here, I would like to buy you a beer or 10.

Sounds good to me.

I currently own a little school here in FL and I could not agree with you more. The hardest part is finding qualified people that can teach. You either do have it or you dont. It is truly a gift to teach.

I really think the problem is that the only actual teaching that you do is so late in the game. I was bursting with idealism like an ignorant chode when I went into school, and by the time I got to student teaching I was ready to change the world. My first placement was great and affirmed my optimism, and the second made me want to shoot myself.

Some of the kids in my class found out they didn't have it about halfway through, and we had 3 or so drop out right then. The rest saw it through to the bitter end, including the ones that shouldn't have. You get to a certain point in college though where there's no turning back, and unless you want to be in school until you're 29 and come out with a bachelors you just have to stick with what you got.

It's so hard to explain the ridiculous shit we did though in teacher education. My 'final' was what they called a teacher work sample, which was essentially a compilation of lesson plans formatted in such a way to make them as long and convoluted as possible, all the while your mentor teacher is telling you they haven't written a lesson plan in 12 years of teaching and what you're learning is all bullshit. My TWS was something like 75 pages long and probably 40% of it was stuff I didn't even teach. It was funny because it was all state mandated but they were already telling us just to do it to appease the state. I also remember my mentor teacher leaving me alone with the students for hours at a time (which I think is illegal) and me having to wake the teacher up in the classroom next door because his students were being disruptive (he would sleep in his classroom during study halls; the kids would draw on him and shit. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad) I also had to listen to this same dude tell his class that his girlfriend doesn't shave her armpits, so loud that it sounded through the wall, while trying to teach kids who couldn't give a fuck about To Kill A Mockingbird.

One of the kids I know from my class just quit his teaching job in Tampa because he was making $50 more a week than working at Geico, and I just saw a girl from my class the other day stocking shelves at Aldi, so I guess it's going pretty well for her too.

The education system in this country is so fucked up it's scary.

[e30e]

Your mom makes less than $40k a year with 35+ years experience and a Master's?

I'm calling BS. Show me the AZ teacher pay scale.

OK is one of the lowest paid states in the Union, and it's not close to that low. The link below is to MINIMUM's.

http://ok.gov/sde/state-minimum-teacher-salary-schedule

Your mom is likely underpaid, most teachers are (you willing to raise taxes to pay them more ;) ), but exageration doesn't lend you any credibility.

Lets bring this UP AGAIN, the Reason I make nearly double digging ditches is Arizona pays shit for teaching degrees, even specialized ones. I made more this his mom I can guarentee it because I'm making more than master degree teachers that are my friends. And I get more days off a month.
I know kindergarten teachers are starting off at 23k a year.