Anarchism?

[streetwaves]

i agree with a lot of things you say, but dude... you sound like you are 16 here. your naivete is sweet, but it is not realistic.

you are also demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge of tactical situations.

Anarchism, I'd agree, is idealistic in that it is so far removed from what we have that it makes it seem like literally the least plausible solution. That is my main problem with it. But I also believe it has a lot more legitimacy than what people initially think. In defending it I'm totally aware that while what I say might be true, whether anarchism can ever exist and "work" is debatable and hard to imagine. But don't confuse examples I use for argument's sake for what I think reality would actually look like 100%.

As far as tactical situations go, it was an example. I didn't use a particularly large-scale example because the importance of tremendous tactical organization is reduced the smaller the scale of the conflict.

[Kershaw]

Let's say I live in a small anarchistic village. There is no hierarchy of power, we all convene at a chosen location every week to have a discussion on the issues we face and utilize direct democracy. To protect our own personal freedom from 'warlords', we do own guns and have agreed we should have a certain group of willing people to guard the perimeter. That's it. They can communicate with each other just fine.

i agree with a lot of things you say, but dude... you sound like you are 16 here. your naivete is sweet, but it is not realistic.

you are also demonstrating a complete lack of knowledge of tactical situations.

[streetwaves]

look, you dont want to do the leg work then dont. Nothing worth anything comes easy, the same is true with knowledge.

How is admitting to not wanting to spend time actually saying anything doing legwork? You're pretending to have knowledge and answers. Hey, just agree to disagree with me and if you've ever got time to actually present a counter-argument, do so. Again, I'm not an anarchist. I'm open to learning about the idea, period.

[mrsleeve]

look, you dont want to do the leg work then dont. Nothing worth anything comes easy, the same is true with knowledge.

[streetwaves]

DUDE I am working minimum 14 hour days 7 days week, and have been for the most part since June. I am still doing paper work for my day as we speak, and I have to be up and back in less than 8 hours. I dont have the time to devote you.

Then don't post?

[mrsleeve]

DUDE I am working minimum 14 hour days 7 days week, and have been for the most part since June. I am still doing paper work for my day as we speak, and I have to be up and back in less than 8 hours. I dont have the time to devote you, and your pointless idelic (sp) ramblings much past pointing you in a good direction.

[streetwaves]

Look, I am not going to sit here and invest 45min to an hour of my very valuable time, in poking holes in your arguments, and pointing out that this shit has been tried before (in the not too distant past and RIGHT FUCKING HERE IN THIS COUNTRY, again its not my fault you slept though history class). I am not going to explain to you why ALL of us are fault for the problems in our govt.

All of this information is out there, and I have given you several places to start, this is not something you are going to get to the bottom of over night or in 25 mins of Google'n, reading the 1st 2 paragraphs of the top 3 hits.

Dude, I've seen your posts. You aren't the "poking holes in arguments" type. Come to a thread to participate, not pretend you've got some vast knowledge on the subject that you're too busy to share.

[mrsleeve]

Look, I am not going to sit here and invest 45min to an hour of my very valuable time, in poking holes in your arguments, and pointing out that this shit has been tried before (in the not too distant past and RIGHT FUCKING HERE IN THIS COUNTRY, again its not my fault you slept though history class). I am not going to explain to you why ALL of us are fault for the problems in our govt.

All of this information is out there, and I have given you several places to start, this is not something you are going to get to the bottom of over night or in 25 mins of Google'n, reading the 1st 2 paragraphs of the top 3 hits.

[streetwaves]

I have and I do, You have yet to make one that is worth my time to consider

There is no point in coming into a thread to say "I'm not going to spoon feed you, this isn't worth my time" when in fact you won't even say jack shit. Dude, you don't have an argument.

[mrsleeve]

I have and I do, You have yet to make one that is worth my time to consider.

[streetwaves]

I am not arguing anything with you I am TRYING TO HELP YOU LEARN SOMETHING.

i am too tired and too busy to take the time and spoon feed you, when you will just argue about it to argue.

You've never seriously read or considered an argument against your "positions" ever.

[mrsleeve]

I am not arguing anything with you I am TRYING TO HELP YOU LEARN SOMETHING.

i am too tired and too busy to take the time and spoon feed you, when you will just argue about it to argue.

[streetwaves]

You have questions and want answers. Its not our fault you fail to see what we are trying to teach you. Sometimes you have to work a little bit to get what you want.

I have provided you with a stepping stone or 2

You'd be absolutely awful in a debate if all you said was "look at this dictionary entry" or "read a book" while not actually saying anything substantive. You do know that's a bad way of arguing right?

[mrsleeve]

You have questions and want answers. Its not our fault you fail to see what we are trying to teach you. Sometimes you have to work a little bit to get what you want. Your the kind of person Jefferson is talking about in that quote I have provided you. Now figure out what it means and why he said it.

A simple goggle search will yield plenty of reading. Hopefully it will lead you to where you need to go, your missing the tress due to the forest man.

[streetwaves]

And all by your self you have just proven my point, better than anything I could have typed out.


Of course corruption has become a problem in our government, because of the last 100 years or so of people just like you.

You still haven't said anything. You guys have a strange way of arguing in this thread: posting links to the dictionary, telling me to read about the founding of this country, etc.
What kind of person am I? How have I corrupted the government with special interest money? And if a system allows "people like me" to easily corrupt it, what does that say about the system itself?

I think you're all misreading the purpose of this thread: to discuss anarchism. I'm not arguing that it's the ideal, I'm defending it whilst trying to learn more about it.