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[herbivor]

I went to a rural part of NC for a relative's birthday. Her church "family" was there and two of the dumb rednecks were having a gun debate. One was insisting that the men should "allow" the wives to have shotguns in the house while the other was insisting the wives should have semi-automatics, the argument being which one is easier to kill with that even their wives could handle it. Since gun ownership is inversely proportional to intelligence, I think to own a gun you should at least have an IQ of 130 along with a psychological examination. That would cut down gun ownership to almost zero.

[MattAvino]

Holy shit, you're quite the ignorant asshole. Haha

[LowR3V'in]

If there were no more guns then there would be
no more gun violence and suicides. obama will bring peace.
just let him guys what is the problem?

[evandael]

^ it's so easy to see through your trolling

[Pac1373]

If there were no more guns then there would be
no more gun violence and suicides. obama will bring peace.
just let him guys what is the problem?

^ it's so easy to see through your trolling

I assume that he was being purposely transparent, I actually chuckled a little at this...

[Mr. Tasty]

guns are not a problem in this country, the mental health is. Make it required to have a psychological check to obtain and own guns. Done

[Pac1373]

If there were no more guns then there would be
no more gun violence and suicides. obama will bring peace.
just let him guys what is the problem?

^ it's so easy to see through your trolling

I assume that he was being purposely transparent, I actually chuckled a little at this...

[mrsleeve]

guns are not a problem in this country, the mental health is. Make it required to have a psychological check to obtain and own guns. Done

your kinda confused on the whole rights Vs Privileges thing aren't you???

[Wiglaf]

yeah that's a sticky one. someone with a reduced capability to be responsible still has the same rights.

[evandael]

i'm just gonna kick the hornets nest and say that gun ownership ought to be a privilege.

[mrsleeve]

Then move some place where it is vote with your feet, to a place that is more aligned with your beliefs an values . There ought to be no shortage of similar western culture societies that have consider firearms ownership a privilege at the will of the state. Along with a out right ban on self defense, I think you would like it there..................

Hell you really dont even have to leave the US to find places like this, Just move to Jersey or IL, though from the above post you would not find their draconian laws restrictive enough. How about Cyprus, you can only own a Double barrel shot gun there and you have to get a permission form the govt to have it and the ammo for them. So there is little fear of recourse form the citizens that are having up to 60% of their savings stolen from them by the govt and have not had access to their own money for what 2 weeks..............

[evandael]

no, sleeve, no.

like usual you drag in bizarre and delusionally extreme consequences and examples. it's not a matter of 'will of the state', if you are stable and able to own a gun, with nothing to hide, then you'll acquire your guns, either for self-protection or for hobby use. nothing to argue about there.


i could purchase a gun yesterday, and if i had to fill out the paperwork, wait a while for background checks, and basically be vetted to own a weapon as part of the process, then that's totally fine. why is it so difficult to assume additional responsibilities? i guess it's for fear of a gubment takeover, or that real criminals will get their guns no matter what..

[mrsleeve]

Whats so extreme about what I said. I have to fill out a form 4473 just like everyone else has to when I buy or have a firearm shipped across state lines. So your ok with the cops knocking on your door at 10pm demanding entry into your property/residence "to look around" for what ever reason with no warrant? Since you have nothing to hide you would allow them entry??? How about the same situation during a traffic stop??

In nearly every other 1st world nation on the globe owning firearms (or most any other kind of weapon for that matter) IS A PRIVILEGE that is at the will and benevolence of the state. In most its out right prohibited and even in most 3rd worlds as well, as it protects those in power from the governed getting uppity. If a populace has that privilege its one that can be revoked at will at any time for any reason, and these powers have been flexed time and time again in the last 50 years.

I just using current events to point to certain situations that might not be so reliably attempted if those that were to be wronged in mass have a means of standing against those that govern them that are seeking to violate the governed.

You see while it may not be so apparent anymore here in this country those that are in positions to govern only draw their power to do so form the governed. When the governed lose the ability to take that power back when its become abusive then you have tyranny. Kinda like we are seeing in Cyprus right now.....

[cale]

There ought to be no shortage of similar western culture societies that have consider firearms ownership a privilege at the will of the state. Along with a out right ban on self defense

A ban on weapons is a ban on your right to self defense?

[mrsleeve]

Yuppers the UK and upside down land in particular. In most places your not allowed to defend your self from attackers, especially with firearms or other "deadly weapons" You become the defendant right quick and in a hurry.

Good example here

http://www.allsafedefense.com/Articles/Martin-England.htm