The Zimmie Verdict is in

[Thizzelle]

Dexter only kills criminals, leave him out of it

[Morrison]

^ What crime did Dokes commit?

It was a joke anyway, and intended to be inciteful....not necessarily insightful.

[agent]

Oakland is trashed again. using any racially charged news story that comes out as an excuse to loot and vandalize property

Touched that up for you Stephen.

[Q5Quint]

Following someone is NOT A CRIME, Attacking someone and pounding their head into the side walk IS.

False.

"A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force."

A man has been following you down the street in his truck. You hide. He gets out of truck, with a loaded gun. What do?

"However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony."

According to the law, and not some made-up-isms, it looks like Treyvon *could have* been operating within the legal limits. We cant know because we wernt there and the only witness is dead.

This law works both ways though, so as soon as zimmerman got clobbered suddenly he was defending his own life. That is why these laws are referred to as 'shoot first' laws, since the person that 'shoots first' is legally allowed to do so.

Sources: Florida 'Stand your ground' law.

My issue with all of this is that my own states 'shoot first' laws go even further. Even if you are the attacker, and your victim responds with force, the attacker is then legally allowed to use deadly force.

"Source: "§ 14-51.3. Use of force in defense of person; relief from criminal or civil liability.

"§ 14-51.4. Justification for defensive force not available.
The justification described in G.S. 14-51.2 and G.S. 14-51.3 is not available to a person who used defensive force and who:
(1) Was attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of a felony.
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself. However, the person who initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself will be justified in using defensive force if either of the following occur:
a. The force used by the person who was provoked is so serious that the person using defensive force reasonably believes that he or she was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm, the person using defensive force had no reasonable means to retreat, and the use of force which is likely to cause death or serious bodily harm to the person who was provoked was the only way to escape the danger.
b. The person who used defensive force withdraws, in good faith, from physical contact with the person who was provoked, and indicates clearly that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of
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force, but the person who was provoked continues or resumes the use of force."

So I could hit you in the face, and then you hit me back 'so hard that the I reasonably believes that I was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm, and seeing as how I have no reasonable means to escape and the only way to escape danger is now to use of force which is likely to cause death or serious bodily harm....'

TLDR: I can hit you in the face and then pretty much shoot you if you swing back at me. In NC. FYI. Not that it matters because you are dead and I can just make up that entire story. Bonus points if I plant a stolen gun on you.

I fear these laws will open up the flood gates for neo-nazis or black panthers to start warring each other without having to worry about going to prison. Then again, maybe that was the point?

[slammin.e28]

I fear these laws will open up the flood gates for neo-nazis or black panthers to start warring each other without having to worry about going to prison. Then again, maybe that was the point?

Can't we just organize some big event for both somewhere in the wilds of Montana and let them take care of each other while letting us normal people live our lives.

From the posts showing up on my FB newsfeed, I won't be venturing, unarmed, into certain parts of town for a long while.

[Deltron Dirty30]

i agree with this dude 100%

its a little long but its worth it. if anything watch the first 10 minutes.

[bmwstephen]

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/bay-area-protests-over-zimmerman-verdict-continue/nYrXY/

this is fucking stupid. some of these protestors are jumping on cars too.

[frankenbeemer]

i agree with this dude 100%

its a little long but its worth it. if anything watch the first 10 minutes.

That is astonishing. The first few minutes had me wondering if he is really black, I suppose that makes me a racist. The observation about Trayvon's mother's lack of emotion on the stand seems irrefutable, it's likely the women of the jury would have been influenced strongly by that.

[Exodus_2pt0]

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-...ontinue/nYrXY/

this is fucking stupid. some of these protestors are jumping on cars too.

Idiots. I'm mad! Let's go take out our unwarranted anger on regular citizens who had nothing to do with anything we think we're mad about! YEA!

Is this really what America has come to? Sad.

[cale]

Apparently it's only justice if it ends with a guilty verdict and a head on a spike.

[M-technik-3]

Idiots. I'm mad! Let's go take out our unwarranted anger on regular citizens who had nothing to do with anything we think we're mad about! YEA!

Is this really what America has come to? Sad.

Emotionally driven folks, that are easily incited vs thinking clearly. The Mob mentality wins over many in situations like this. Reasonable thinking folks get riled up and act up as a group vs an individual.

Give an emotion speech tends to get folks all riled up. Good luck California.

[Thizzelle]

surprised nobody got hit on that freeway, fuckin assholes

[QUKBMER]

I will just leave this here................... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFi0l--NPI

[blazing]

I will just leave this here................... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFi0l--NPI

Love it!!

[mrsleeve]

False.

"A person is justified in the use of force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force."

A man has been following you down the street in his truck. You hide. He gets out of truck, with a loaded gun. What do?

"However, the person is justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony."

According to the law, and not some made-up-isms, it looks like Treyvon *could have* been operating within the legal limits. We cant know because we wernt there and the only witness is dead.

This law works both ways though, so as soon as zimmerman got clobbered suddenly he was defending his own life. That is why these laws are referred to as 'shoot first' laws, since the person that 'shoots first' is legally allowed to do so.

Sources: Florida 'Stand your ground' law.

My issue with all of this is that my own states 'shoot first' laws go even further. Even if you are the attacker, and your victim responds with force, the attacker is then legally allowed to use deadly force.

"Source: "§ 14-51.3. Use of force in defense of person; relief from criminal or civil liability.



So I could hit you in the face, and then you hit me back 'so hard that the I reasonably believes that I was in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm, and seeing as how I have no reasonable means to escape and the only way to escape danger is now to use of force which is likely to cause death or serious bodily harm....'

TLDR: I can hit you in the face and then pretty much shoot you if you swing back at me. In NC. FYI. Not that it matters because you are dead and I can just make up that entire story. Bonus points if I plant a stolen gun on you.

I fear these laws will open up the flood gates for neo-nazis or black panthers to start warring each other without having to worry about going to prison. Then again, maybe that was the point?

I will let you re-read all this and figure out where why your wrong becasue if I tell you, you will never learn anything. and surely you cant be this stupid