Global Cooling

[rwh11385]

“There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the latter ignorance.”
― Hippocrates

[BraveUlysses]

like I said, he wouldn't admit it even if the pacific ocean had reached his doorstep.

He'd come back here to brag about his new waterfront property.

[nando]

like I said, he wouldn't admit it even if the pacific ocean had reached his doorstep.

[Q5Quint]

I had an elaborate response to this but after about 30 minutes of investigating things got hilarious and I can shorten things up a good bit.

I would like to again stress the importance of actually reading the articles you post. The 60% ice increase is easily debunked with a 10 second google search, but the quote from this guy was even better:

Professor Anastasios Tsonis, of the University of Wisconsin, said: "We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped.”

Who the hell is this guy kidding? I found this quote particularly rage-inducing maddening at first, but I found it even more interesting because I searched a bit and found some other quotes from the fellow he wrote the paper in 2009 with, Kyle Swanson, also at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.

Regardless, it’s important to note that we are not talking about global cooling, just a pause in warming.

What do our results have to do with Global Warming, i.e., the century-scale response to greenhouse gas emissions? VERY LITTLE, contrary to claims that others have made on our behalf.

We hypothesize that the established pre-1998 trend is the true forced warming signal, and that the climate system effectively overshot this signal in response to the 1997/98 El Niño. This overshoot is in the process of radiatively dissipating, and the climate will return to its earlier defined, greenhouse gas-forced warming signal. If this hypothesis is correct, the era of consistent record-breaking global mean temperatures will not resume until roughly 2020. Of course, this contrasts sharply with other forecasts of the climate system; the purple line roughly indicates the model-based forecast of Smith et al. (2007) , suggesting with a warming of roughly 0.3 deg C over the 2005-2015 period.

And the best part, the link: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...l-variability/

You literally took a paper where these guys hypothesized a 'pause' in global warming before resuming the previously predicted human caused greenhouse gas warming line, and then try to spin it as global cooling. Why do you do this? It is moving past hilarious and getting into the desperate and sad territory.

i know i know i know
pointing all of you to the same data sets that feed the upcoming IPCC report is somehow "fallacious" and misleading. lmao

you, nando, Q5 and rwh are tied in knots trying to make the same old arguments that we are doomed but with data that increasing fails to support your hypotheses.

laugh indeed

You mean the 'data' that you post as evidence of cooling that in fact confirms human caused global warming, with a slight pause from el nino?


Yeah, I sure am laughing.

Just admit that you are wrong and that the media is trying to spin global warming off as a non-issue so that billionaire oil lobbyist can make black greasy profits for a few more years. ADMIT IT. You are already posting links that prove yourself wrong, turn back now before insanity takes over completely!

60% more ice? Google search for about 10 seconds PLEASE.

[BraveUlysses]

No, a Google Image Search is where that specific image was sourced from. Always letting assumptions get out in front of you before you even really know what's actually going on, sometimes it makes you look like an ass, ya know?

The image was created by thedailymail, so it's not an assumption. Clearly, I gave you way more credit than you deserve.

[rwh11385]

Also, while the ice cover is up from last year, its far thinner than in the past. The total ice mass is still on a big decline.

But thats too inconvenient for their purposeful ignorance. Its certainly too inconvenient for a blog thats posts misleading stories about science to admit.

Yup, volume under long-run trend.

[rwh11385]

So, what if it doubles again year to year by Aug 2014? Or more than doubles, or begins an exponential growth and overtakes landmasses in 48 months, then would you change your thought?

I guess for it to "double again", it'd have to double for a first time, right?

The most likely result would probably be losing about 8% with a distribution of decreasingly likely results on either side of that. The reason it went up was the regression to the mean and the same behavior most likely would have it oscillate and go back down. It's possible that could increase again, but it would be equally likely to decrease by 16% as it would be to stay the same... roughly speaking.

That's the exact same reason why 80% of scientists polled about this year in 2012 expected the ice area to increase, in which it rebounded to just above the trendline (not even a big outlier or anything). The fact that it is news underlines how much they are willing to take it out of context and distribute misinformation rather than knowledge and understanding.

[Farbin Kaiber]

What are you talking about? Any increase in the ice pack over the previous year is evidentiary that climate science is a farce and that we should trust in forbes.

Just as much as any decrease is evidence that climate change is real and Al Gore invented the internet.

[cale]

a 2 year timescale won't reveal much but 4-10 might.

I wouldn't get my hopes up..

What are you talking about? Any increase in the ice pack over the previous year is evidentiary that climate science is a farce and that we should trust in forbes.

[nando]

its NOT MELTING

And the earth is flat and only 5000 years old?

[Farbin Kaiber]

If Jeebus really wanted me to win, he wouldn't force me to buy lottery tickets.

I'm gonna laugh my ass off one day when I see a FB post about finding an unscratched ticket on the ground somewhere and you scratch it and win $50.

[gwb72tii]

I'd be ecstatic - it would mean we have more time to deal with the problem.

so you'd actually like the planet to cool?

[gwb72tii]

do you honestly believe how much ice mass there is makes no difference when talking about it melting?

its NOT MELTING

[z31maniac]

I'm just gonna hold on to this til Aug 2014 and bump my post and see where we are, maybe Buddy will get to win the lotto too!

If Jeebus really wanted me to win, he wouldn't force me to buy lottery tickets.

[nando]

a 2 year timescale won't reveal much but 4-10 might.

I wouldn't get my hopes up..