Shutdown

[Cabriolet]

This fight is not about the ACA, it's about saying "no" to this tactic of shutting down the government whenever the minority doesn't get what they want. It's a tactic that neither side should use ever.

yes it is. the ACA makes it illegal to not have insurance. this is complete bull shit and im glad the GOP wont give in. insurance should be offered to all, not forced on all. and you cant deny that us middle class are hit the hardest.

also, that BS about the minority. gays are a minority and got the "right" to get married, even though most Americans disagree. the point is that if we want our country to be free and not enslaved in debt to other countries, spending needs to stop and forceful/harmful laws need to not be past.

This is the real reason government needs to me reigned in.

[BraveUlysses]

Why continue to back pedal when you have annouced your retirment and will not seek reelection

Ask him yourself? It's still irrelevant to this discussion

[herbivor]

i hate the ACA. it should have been offered to those that want it. but not crammed down my throat. me and my wife make ~88k/yr. so we have to bare the full cost of all the idiocy from the government. however, we dont make enough to buy even a mobile home in my area. life isn't easy and how our medical for the 2 of us has gone up to $500/mo. at that rate we are completely fucked. that's like me walking out and leasing a brand new BMW, for what? something i dont really need. The last time i went to the doctor was 10 years ago. the most i should have to pay for this shit to be "affordable" would be ~200mo for the 2 of us. which is what we have been paying until this god damn law was forced on us. it's 100% bullshit. fuck you obama

Despite your opinion, it is not a reason to shut down the government. The right wing media is trying to distract you from the real problem, which is this absurd tactic used by a small faction of RWNJs to destroy a democratic process. The media spins it as if it's everyone's fault for not compromising but even conservative journalists know that this shutdown is due to the split in the Republican party between the minority RWNJs and the older pragmatic conservatives. That's why there is no compromise from Obama on this one, nor should there be. Who would they compromise with? There are two parties within the GOP with the minority for some reason getting to yell the loudest.
This fight is not about the ACA, it's about saying "no" to this tactic of shutting down the government whenever the minority doesn't get what they want. It's a tactic that neither side should use ever.

[Cabriolet]

i hate the ACA. it should have been offered to those that want it. but not crammed down my throat. me and my wife make ~88k/yr. so we have to bare the full cost of all the idiocy from the government. however, we dont make enough to buy even a mobile home in my area. life isn't easy and how our medical for the 2 of us has gone up to $500/mo. at that rate we are completely fucked. that's like me walking out and leasing a brand new BMW, for what? something i dont really need. The last time i went to the doctor was 10 years ago. the most i should have to pay for this shit to be "affordable" would be ~200mo for the 2 of us. which is what we have been paying until this god damn law was forced on us. it's 100% bullshit. fuck you obama

[mrsleeve]

Why continue to back pedal when you have annouced your retirment and will not seek reelection

[BraveUlysses]

Ok the chairman of the senate finance committee THE COMMITTEE THAT AUTHORED THE BULK OF THE ACA back pedals on the law he over saw the writing of and admits to not reading is IRRELEVANT???? Just how is that IRRELEVANT when that was your job to know it because you were writing the fucking thing???????

I am sure some internes were handed a section of the bill and tasked to come up with the cliffs notes versions of their respective sections. Or at least something to that effect.

Control is whats in it

It's irrelevant to the discussion at hand here--why the government is shut down because butthurt GOP members have held it hostage.

Again, I don't care about this guy or why he is backpedaling in an effort to save his career. Montana is full of conservative type people and I'm sure he's pissed a good number of them off.

[slammin.e28]

I know he's a nutball now, but this makes sense...

McAfee on Obamacare

"This is insane. I will predict that the loss of income for the millions of Americans that are going to lose their identities … "

[mrsleeve]

Ok the chairman of the senate finance committee THE COMMITTEE THAT AUTHORED THE BULK OF THE ACA back pedals on the law he over saw the writing of and admits to not reading is IRRELEVANT???? Just how is that IRRELEVANT when that was your job to know it because you were writing the fucking thing???????

I am sure some internes were handed a section of the bill and tasked to come up with the cliffs notes versions of their respective sections. Or at least something to that effect.

Control is whats in it

[BraveUlysses]

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What about the guy that wrote it now back pedaling as fast as he can on it, and what not. yeah I am sure interns and shit read it. Its 2400 fucking pages, even if you condensed it to say 50% of that to get the gist of it, all from your interns you still are missing all kinds of shit dont you think

I don't know who the guy is nor do I care why some cockroach politician is now changing his mind about something because he got backlash for a bill he championed. It's irrelevant.

So we have gone from nobody read it to some "interns and shit"

What am I missing sleeve? What's in the legislation that we all should know? Don't blue ball me bro

[mrsleeve]

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What about the guy that wrote it now back pedaling as fast as he can on it, and what not. yeah I am sure interns and shit read it. Its 2400 fucking pages, even if you condensed it to say 50% of that to get the gist of it, all from your interns you still are missing all kinds of shit dont you think

I know you're not a fan of the ACA, and that's fine, you're entitled to your beliefs, and to vote for people that represent your views, but do you really think shutting down the government is the appropriate way for the minority to protest a law that has been passed by congress, accepted by the supreme court, with a president that got reelected by the majority after it was passed? Should the minority party shut down the government every time a bill passes they don't like? Don't like food stamps? Shut it down. Gays marrying? Shut it down. It seems to fly in the face of the democracy to me.

No honestly I dont. Like I said I dont think all is as it seems, we have the debt ceiling coming up fast, QE3 decision on when to start tapering off the end of the month. I am really wondering if there is not much more to all of this. I have been saying its all a big dog and pony show at this point since this thread started.

IIRC The SCOTUS ONLY vetted the tax portion. By saying that the the govt can levy a tax for what ever they want. again IIRC they didnt delve into the constitutionality of that tax, that was for another case.

[BraveUlysses]

Sleeve, don't be a fuckin retard.

No matter what stupid shit Pelosi says, you cannot honestly say that nobody read the bill. Don't be that stupid.

And I bet you've never read it either.

[herbivor]

I am sure there are other glitches that are out there as well. they have been crafitng the regulations mandated by this law for the last 3 years, and I am sure all those were done better than the web site too right?? Gun regs are going to be hard to push because too many peoples jobs are on the line if they try that, and since when is heath care on the list of SPELLED OUT protected RIGHTS in the Constitution???

I am not a fan of how this turned out and I still think this is just the beginning or the cover for something much more sinister and devious, though I just have no idea what.

I know you're not a fan of the ACA, and that's fine, you're entitled to your beliefs, and to vote for people that represent your views, but do you really think shutting down the government is the appropriate way for the minority to protest a law that has been passed by congress, accepted by the supreme court, with a president that got reelected by the majority after it was passed? Should the minority party shut down the government every time a bill passes they don't like? Don't like food stamps? Shut it down. Gays marrying? Shut it down. It seems to fly in the face of the democracy to me.

[mrsleeve]

A one year delay because the websites aren't working? Brilliant logic.
Just stop posting.

I am sure there are other glitches that are out there as well. they have been crafitng the regulations mandated by this law for the last 3 years, and I am sure all those were done better than the web site too right?? Gun regs are going to be hard to push because too many peoples jobs are on the line if they try that, and since when is heath care on the list of SPELLED OUT protected RIGHTS in the Constitution???

I am not a fan of how this turned out and I still think this is just the beginning or the cover for something much more sinister and devious, though I just have no idea what.

As to your other retort about little negotiation and not reading the fucking thing or knowing what they were passing. The bill was written by dems (who didnt read it) the R's offered over 700 amendments only 161 were adopted, and only 29 of those were of substance the rest were mostly procedural

Here is the "father of the ACA" Charmian of the senate financial committee Max Baucus at a town hall meeting in Libby MT admitting in his own words and from his own mouth he didnt read the bill he is credited with.



here is the same guy saying the bill he is credited with is not ready and is going to be a train wreck and has no idea what to tell us worried constituents .


Yeah hes one of the longest sitting senators and hes not running again in 2016 he knows hes finished with us there has been lots of back lash all over the state over this shit.

Is this the statements of someone whos read the fucking thing, If you have read it would you not know whats in it and be able to explain it to people who have questiosn about it????




I know you have seen the last one, but should I continue to find you people saying shit in their own words with their own mouth.

[BraveUlysses]

Any party, no matter what side, that uses the economy as leverage to repeal bills that have already been through the democratic process, is a threat to democracy. Any sane republican with half a brain should be appalled by what a radical minority faction is doing to the country, even if you agree 100% with their ideologies. It's not right. You can disagree with the ACA all day long, but do you really think this is a good tactic for a minority party, to fuck up the entire economy until the minority gets what they want? It doesn't seam to me to be a very democratic process.

Like I said, people like sleeve would be shitting blood if the roles were reversed and the dems were trying to use a similar situation to push gun control legislation.

It's pure bullshit to hold our federal government and economy hostage to try to overturn laws they don't like and couldn't repeal through normal congressional processes. Because they failed the other 41 times they have tried to get it overturned.

[BraveUlysses]

who cares delay the whole thing, your right they have had years to get ready yet the state exchanges have been mostly down and giving everyone hell whos trying to comply with the law. Why not delay it another year and work out most of the kinks in that time.

A one year delay because the websites aren't working? Brilliant logic.
Just stop posting.