Shutdown

[BraveUlysses]

Seriously? Just let the US continue to increase the debt level ad infinitum?

I didn't say that.

Do you really think we will ever get to a revenue-neutral government?

[nando]

I'm very aware of what could happen. :(

but, you don't have people in the democrat party saying, a default could be a good thing.. only people on the extreme fringe of the GOP are saying stuff like that. and, it's their manufactured crisis - it's not the president's job to pass budgets and raise the debt ceiling. they KNOW he won't budge on ACA (for a number of reasons, including setting a precedent).

All they'd have to do is bring the senate bill to a vote and this would be over. it seems like there are enough in the GOP who have a brain, even though the speaker is denying it..

[mrsleeve]

more sinister than a default of US obligations? on purpose?

I can't imagine it being worse than that. :(

Well that would cause a lot of people to dump all those us tresuries form the qe's and flood the markets with them. There by killing the dollars status as the worlds reserve currency. And in doing so collapse the buying power of the dollar with all those dollars flooding back it would likelly force a market crash like the world has never known.

Maybe .........................................

[z31maniac]

Agree, it would set a terrible precedent if they cave in on this. We need to get rid of the debt ceiling permanently so that we're not put into yearly episodes of complete uncertainty as the minority stake in the house holds the country hostage.



False flag!

Seriously? Just let the US continue to increase the debt level ad infinitum?

[z31maniac]

I never said anything like that

the closing of the parks is a sideshow compared to the damage the GOP is inflicting (and trying to inflict) on the economy.

How does it make you feel that people like Bachmann are happy that the government shut down? the fact that it was planned almost a year ago by billionaire plutocrats? none of that means anything to you? the fact that they are so terrified that ACA may be a success, they are willing to do anything, including crippling the US economy and government, to stop it?

or are they for improving the economy? except for when they aren't, of course.

Bachmann? I couldn't care less about her.

I'm not an R in the slightest.

[DEV0 E30]

I get the distrust of the Obama administration (the NSA and drone stuff is scary as #$%&), but that's not what this is about - this was a planned shutdown by an extreme fringe of a dying party backed by a handful of billionaires. a last ditch effort to get their way, when they don't have the votes to do so (nor the majority of americans behind them).

I think Obama should stand his ground to avoid setting the precedent - it wouldn't be any better to me, if it were the other way around and the dems were doing the same thing.

I feel like that's the most logical thought / option as well.

Article I read earlier today:

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/10/08/the-koch-brothers-samson-option/

Investigators often say "follow the money".

I wish money was not part of politics, but without a massive shift and people actually caring it doesn't seem even plausible. And as I'm sure some would argue, money has been a part of politics all along or too far back to change now.


Crap, I just realized I posted in this subforum, bahhh. Told myself I wouldn't.

[BraveUlysses]

I think Obama should stand his ground to avoid setting the precedent - it wouldn't be any better to me, if it were the other way around and the dems were doing the same thing.

Agree, it would set a terrible precedent if they cave in on this. We need to get rid of the debt ceiling permanently so that we're not put into yearly episodes of complete uncertainty as the minority stake in the house holds the country hostage.

more sinister than a default of US obligations? on purpose?

I can't imagine it being worse than that. :(

False flag!

[nando]

more sinister than a default of US obligations? on purpose?

I can't imagine it being worse than that. :(

[mrsleeve]

Also like I said in my 1st post in the thread this is a ruse or a trigger for something a bit more sinister........ I don't really trust any of them

[nando]

I get the distrust of the Obama administration (the NSA and drone stuff is scary as #$%&), but that's not what this is about - this was a planned shutdown by an extreme fringe of a dying party backed by a handful of billionaires. a last ditch effort to get their way, when they don't have the votes to do so (nor the majority of americans behind them).

I think Obama should stand his ground to avoid setting the precedent - it wouldn't be any better to me, if it were the other way around and the dems were doing the same thing.

[mrsleeve]

Manic:

I agree with you. The houses plan has back fired because the d and 0 think they are winning ( Obama quote btw). And called the bluff or at the very least a tactic to get the delay the R really wanted. Now the admin is using the opertunity to fuck with the public as much as he can to get them back in his corner and in line, and swing more independents back to the D from what seems like a conservitive migration and boost his slipping poll numbers and at the same time hindering and killing what was/is shaping up to be a R take over in the midterms

This is a dangerous game he is playing and could backfire just as easilly as well. But its far more dangerous to all of us as none of us really matter to the game they are playing

[nando]

I never said anything like that

the closing of the parks is a sideshow compared to the damage the GOP is inflicting (and trying to inflict) on the economy.

How does it make you feel that people like Bachmann are happy that the government shut down? the fact that it was planned almost a year ago by billionaire plutocrats? none of that means anything to you? the fact that they are so terrified that ACA may be a success, they are willing to do anything, including crippling the US economy and government, to stop it?

or are they for improving the economy? except for when they aren't, of course.

[z31maniac]

I love how you'll give a pass on the shutdown because you don't like ACA but when it comes to shutting down parks you're far more harsh in your assessment of the situation.

Jesus, is it impossible for either of you to be rational?

Yes, the R's are being idiots. No doubt.

Yes, the D's are intentionally trying to make the shutdown as painful as possible to make the R's look as bad as possible.

Everything always being "the other guys fault" is precisely why nothing gets accomplished in this country.

[BraveUlysses]

But the executive gets pick and chose how the remaining funding is utlitzed...................



Who occupies the executives chair again

I love how you'll give a pass on the shutdown because you don't like ACA but when it comes to shutting down parks you're far more harsh in your assessment of the situation.

[mrsleeve]

No, its indicative of idiot GOP members holding our country hostage for their bullshit causes.

But the executive gets pick and chose how the remaining funding is utlitzed...................



Who occupies the executives chair again