Speaking of School Lockdowns.

[Exodus_2pt0]

Mother goes to check on her special needs child, doesn't pass go and sign the guest book.

End result? Arrested in front of her already distraught child, and the school is put on lock down.

Let me guess, the Police were just doing their jobs?

http://www.kmov.com/news/local/Mother-arrested-at-school-for-consoling-son-in-local-classroom-251349481.html

[Ether-D]

She learned a valuable lesson. Sign in. It takes 2 seconds.

[Dozyproductions]

Let's see the excuses r3v comes up with ;)

[Swanny]

She learned a valuable lesson. Sign in. It takes 2 seconds.

[Andy.B]

There are rules in society. They are there for a reason. No one else knows someone's intentions, whether they are good or bad.
It turns out she wanted to visit her kid. Fine. What if she didn't have custody? What I'd she was having a mental breakdown? What if she did something violent and illegal. The school is responsible for the children's welfare, and need to control who has access.

My mother is the director of a education institution that has very strict rules. If the institution doesn't have paperwork authorizing access, and ID confirming identity, you aren't getting in or going near the children. If you try and bypass that, police can and will be called.

You aren't exempt from rules because you have good intentions.

I'm sick of these forum topics, facebook posts, and clickbait articles fueled by the misconception that "free country" = "I can do whatever I want as long as I have good intentions". Then the same posts, threads, and articles get written when something bad happens and people cry "How could this happen!?!?!"

You can't have it both ways.

[Swanny]

There are rules in society. They are there for a reason. No one else knows sometimes intentions, whether they are good or bad. It turns out she wanted to visit her kid. Fine. What if she didn't have custody? What I'd she was having a mental breakdown? What if she did something violent and illegal.

You aren't exempt from rules because you have good intentions.

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My mother has been teaching special needs children for 44 years and the sad truth is that a lot of their home lives are not good. She's had many instances of parents acting out and coming into school for confrontation.

There's been a reason to have the simple sign in rules for years.

[Ether-D]

There are rules in society. They are there for a reason. No one else knows someone's intentions, whether they are good or bad.
It turns out she wanted to visit her kid. Fine. What if she didn't have custody? What I'd she was having a mental breakdown? What if she did something violent and illegal. The school is responsible for the children's welfare, and need to control who has access.

My mother is the director of a education institution that has very strict rules. If the institution doesn't have paperwork authorizing access, and ID confirming identity, you aren't getting in or going near the children. If you try and bypass that, police can and will be called.

You aren't exempt from rules because you have good intentions.

I'm sick of these forum topics, facebook posts, and clickbait articles fueled by the misconception that "free country" = "I can do whatever I want as long as I have good intentions". Then the same posts, threads, and articles get written when something bad happens and people cry "How could this happen!?!?!"

You can't have it both ways.

Also the article says she was there earlier that week for an unrelated incident. She could be irrational or unreasonable. Just because one is the parent of a special needs child, doesn't mean one is without fault. And the "lockdown" was 12 minutes.

[Andy.B]

The way I see it, the facts of the situation, at least as far as the article states are:
1- Woman bypasses security checkpoint of institution charged with the welfare of not just her's, but other peoples children.
2- Woman is arrested.

Everything else is emotionally charged speculation, or details aimed at getting an emotionally charged response.

[Dozyproductions]

There are rules in society. They are there for a reason. No one else knows someone's intentions, whether they are good or bad.
It turns out she wanted to visit her kid. Fine. What if she didn't have custody? What I'd she was having a mental breakdown? What if she did something violent and illegal. The school is responsible for the children's welfare, and need to control who has access.

My mother is the director of a education institution that has very strict rules. If the institution doesn't have paperwork authorizing access, and ID confirming identity, you aren't getting in or going near the children. If you try and bypass that, police can and will be called.

You aren't exempt from rules because you have good intentions.

I'm sick of these forum topics, facebook posts, and clickbait articles fueled by the misconception that "free country" = "I can do whatever I want as long as I have good intentions". Then the same posts, threads, and articles get written when something bad happens and people cry "How could this happen!?!?!"

You can't have it both ways.

These aren't clickbait posts, it's a lack of common sense. Signing in changes nothing in what her intentions are especially since she had contact with staff and was only there because of a "frantic phone call" in the first place. The article says she was well known so her identity was confirmed and she got a go ahead from a teacher. If the teacher failed to tell the front admins then it's on her. That should of been cleared before the cops handcuffed her.

As a parent in the same situation is your first reaction "My son is in trouble but let me find that sign in sheet!"? Do you guys have kids? It sounds like a lot of you don't when also remembering the thread of the cops killing the kid with a fake gun in front of his house.

No school has the responsibility of saving the kids from their own parents. Get over your mom's position and start thinking of what she's doing wrong. Not everyone does a great job for what they're supposed to do.


Let's play by extremes since it seems like all y'all are. Would it still be the mothers fault if her kid died because she wasn't allowed to see her kid that only she knew how to take care of. When you mention the safety of the other children being in jeopardy in this situation you're operating in extremes. There is a point when things are taken too far.

[Ether-D]

I have 3 children. My oldest is in first grade and is special needs. I sign the sheet. That article left out many details. Why did the school "know" this woman? Because she's a sweet mother of a special needs child or because she can be an irrational nut bag?

[Exodus_2pt0]

You guys are leaving out important details.

-The mother was called in to assist. She didn't just decide to go see her child.

-Another teacher granted her access to the building.

She was asked to come in due to what could be considered an emergency with her child. Does that not warrant an exception?

Yea, signing the paper takes 2 seconds... But in every school I've ever been to, there are multiple entrances and the office could be on the other side. She went straight to he child, whom staff called her in about. Where is the wrong doing that justifies arrest?

What ever happened to using critical thinking skills? Anyone with half a brain in this situation could have seen an alternative solution.

ETA: Isn't it possible that she simply forgot? We all do it.

[Andy.B]

These aren't clickbait posts, it's a lack of common sense. Signing in changes nothing in what her intentions are especially since she had contact with staff and was only there because of a "frantic phone call" in the first place. The article says she was well known so her identity was confirmed and she got a go ahead from a teacher. If the teacher failed to tell the front admins then it's on her. That should of been cleared before the cops handcuffed her.

As a parent in the same situation is your first reaction "My son is in trouble but let me find that sign in sheet!"? Do you guys have kids? It sounds like a lot of you don't when also remembering the thread of the cops killing the kid with a fake gun in front of his house.

No school has the responsibility of saving the kids from their own parents. Get over your mom's position and start thinking of what she's doing wrong. Not everyone does a great job for what they're supposed to do.

Ok, if we are GOING to go full on emotional speculation, then fine.

What if the mother didn't have custody, and was intending to take the child? What if the mother wasn't a loving caring, mother bear protecting her cub? What if she had a personal problem with the school, the administration, or the teacher, and today, had had enough, and wasn't the rational, protective parent you are assuming she is?

The teacher knew her, and she bypassed a security measure. Find. That doesn't mean the administration present knew. That doesn't mean the police knew.

Police ARE NOT judges. They aren't there to decide who is guilty or innocent. They are there to enforce laws and policies, and let the court decide.

And fine, the teacher should have told administration. The people should have all magically known, and talked down the police that responded to the call. The situation shouldn't have escalated. All reasonable. But you know what would have prevented ALL of that? If the mother had signed the stupid visitor form at the front desk.

The sad truth is that a lot of parents are BAD parents. Most harmed/abducted/molested/murdered children are victims of their known family and friends. Don't drop the 'I'm a parent, and I think she was right' card here. That is the problem I pointed out to begin with:

Just because YOUR intentions are good, doesn't mean the rules don't apply to you. The school has laws, rules, and policy in place just to TRY to ensure the welfare of a child against a whole world of different people, with different interests, different intents, and different behaviors.

[Ether-D]

Would it still be the mothers fault if her kid died because she wasn't allowed to see her kid that only she knew how to take care of.

Absolutely. If she sent her child to a place where no one but her knew how to save his life if it we're in danger, she is the one who jeopardized his life, and would be at fault.

[Andy.B]

No school has the responsibility of saving the kids from their own parents. Get over your mom's position and start thinking of what she's doing wrong. Not everyone does a great job for what they're supposed to do.

And I'm not going to touch on this other than ask, REALLY? That's where you want to go with this discussion? REALLY!?!

[Andy.B]

Why did the school "know" this woman? Because she's a sweet mother of a special needs child or because she can be an irrational nut bag?

This.

There are so many goddamned nutjobs in the world. Lots of them are parents.