Let's try an experiment -

[Cabriolet]

[Wh33lhop]

And I can guaranteed you that you're an idiot.

Don't be a dick just because he's wrong.

[CorvallisBMW]

^ You don't really care what i think. But I guaranteed you we disagree on whether or not you are married.

So your religious opinion should dictate whether I'm "married" or not? That's an interesting viewpoint. I never knew that the only real marriages in the world are Christian ones...

Oh and the Jews didn't invent marriage. It's part of every culture and every religion: Anamist aboriginals, Budhists, Zoastrians, Pagans, Aztecs, Mayans, Zulus, etc. They all have their own forms of marriage that developed long before the Jewish faith was even a fantasy in someone's mind. Pairing together 2 people is a human act, not a religious one.

[frankenbeemer]

Why is it morally wrong to have sex before the government hands you a piece of paper?

It shouldn't be, after marriage there is no sex.

And I can guaranteed you that you're an idiot.

Where have you been cale?

[z31maniac]

bro. the Hebrews/Israelites invented it. ~2000 years before Christianity became a thing

Time for some Torah reading

I suspect you should do some reading as well.

[BraveUlysses]

Because marriage is a religious event. I don't give a shit about the government paper. Long before laws/centralized governments, there was marriage. I also think that the government should stay 100% out of marriage. There should be no tax breaks, no benefits, etc. This disenfranchises people that choose to be single.

You must have voted No for Prop 8 and did not donate any money or volunteer hours to the campaign for it to pass, right?

You were probably involved in the no campaign because you wanted to make sure government stayed out of marriage laws, right?

[einhander]

yes it is morally wrong to have sex outside of marriage. should there be laws against this. no.
it is not immoral to drive 100mph on the freeway. should there be laws against this. yes.
it's all about the safety of the society.

That is probably the most asinine, backwards thing I've ever read on this forum.

[ST1G]

Einhander, if you're ever within 300 miles of Idaho, lets get coffee.

[Cabriolet]

I suspect you should do some reading as well.

Yes i know, it was a brain fart, the first marriage was Adam and Eve. Genesis 2:24

That is probably the most asinine, backwards thing I've ever read on this forum.

what is so backwards? it's easy to criticize my words, but at least explain what about them is wrong.

almost every time the government regulate moral laws it has failed. Prohibition failed, drug war fail, internet piracy failed - just to name a few. the US also has one of the highest divorce rates, maybe this is one that they government should just get out of.

You must have voted No for Prop 8 and did not donate any money or volunteer hours to the campaign for it to pass, right?

You were probably involved in the no campaign because you wanted to make sure government stayed out of marriage laws, right?

i gave up on voting a log time ago. this place has too many fruit cakes for one vote to make any difference.

[kickinindian]

i gave up on voting a log time ago. this place has too many fruit cakes for one vote to make any difference.

then stfu about everything if your not voting then all your points are moot.

[ST1G]

then stfu about everything if your not voting then all your points are moot.

False. Voting is not a condition of debating political issues.

[Cabriolet]

back on topic. why are so many people so far from center?

[BraveUlysses]

False. Voting is not a condition of debating political issues.

Nope, but it does show that he's unwilling to participate in the process, which means it's hard to take his viewpoints seriously.

[Cabriolet]

Nope, but it does show that he's unwilling to participate in the process, which means it's hard to take his viewpoints seriously.

I did for years work in the system. i help run voting booths, help with the ballot collection, drop-offs. when 90% of the population votes Democrat in your area, >50% on food stamps, driving cars they cant afford, do all the voting, one independent/republican vote really has no say. hell, if 1000 people like me voted the same way, it wouldn't even effect the outcome in my district.

[BraveUlysses]

None of that shit you just said is even remotely believable.